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worldwide would vanish if we were facing

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how you doing how you do

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I'm your host Jimmy Church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing all

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tonight's very special guests back with

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this Whitley Strieber is here

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now what we're gonna do tonight we're

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gonna talk about his book than the

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supernatural and a little bit later on

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now I need you to sit down and

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understand what I am saying here whilst

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gonna talk about a new book he has

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written with his wife and I'll think

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about that for a second we're gonna do

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that tonight and also I'm gonna do my

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best to you know get those get those

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experiences out of Whitley that he's

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never shared before in public and you

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know that there's so much of it you know

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and he's forgotten more than he is

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remembered I am sure about that and so

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that's what I'm here to do is is to try

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to pull some of that out of Whitley

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we'll be doing that a little bit later

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tomorrow night Larry Holcomb is back

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with us and we're gonna discuss well

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there is his book about presidents and

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UFOs but we've got some other news that

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were gonna be breaking tomorrow night

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and he is really good at what he does

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so just you're gonna have to dial in and

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wait for it tomorrow it's gonna be great

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it's not gonna be what you're thinking

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either Wednesday night james gilliland

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is back now over the weekend some video

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was sent to us from James that was shot

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up at ESET e and the thing by Ryan

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winner and so we looked at the video and

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it was pretty impressive so that video

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we immediately did an edit on got it

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posted and got it out there and the view

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count you know you know what's weird

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about it I think the view count you know

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it's at 60,000 views or something in a

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day but day and a half I was expecting a

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million views out of that thing it's

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it's a crazy video but also a couple of

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more videos have been shot so that is

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what we're gonna be discussing Wednesday

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night not only Ryan's video but some of

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the other things that have been going on

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up there over the last 7 days or so and

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just ESET e is an extraordinary place so

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we're gonna do on Wednesday night james

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gilliland will be here Thursday night's

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gonna be another phaedra night with Jon

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radio calm okay

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the LAPD reported earlier today that Tom

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Petty had died and so the news media

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picked up on it as they should and I did

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the same thing I went to the LAPD

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website and official feeds out to the

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media and saw that that's what they were

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releasing as a press release so then I

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went to Wikipedia right and Wikipedia

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does this thing it's amazing how fast

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that they update Wikipedia LAPD makes

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the announcement I had already posted up

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that he had had a heart attack last

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night and was on life support over at

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UCLA Santa Monica then my daughter

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Nicole posted right after that Nicole's

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quick and Nicole caught my eyes she said

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they've already taken him off of life

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support so then I go back and I follow

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up and sure enough they had taken him

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off of life support and then the

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announcement came that he had died and I

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got that from the LAPD and I thought wow

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that is that is quick so I go to

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Wikipedia Wikipedia already updated and

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Wikipedia does this thing

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they'll say so-and-so so-and-so was a

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singer a guitar player an actor a

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racecar driver whatever that was was

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already updated it was like wow

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Wikipedia really so I go back in variety

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and CBS and Rolling Stone magazine and

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the LAPD everybody was reporting that he

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died so and I went back to the LAPD and

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I'm like am I reading this right yes

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okay all right Wow so I turn around and

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post that he had died and it slowly came

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unraveled after that now as of Showtime

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tonight Tom Petty is not on life support

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he is clinging right he's still alive

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there has not been anything official

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since 1:55 p.m. Pacific time today okay

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now here we go we're gonna go through

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this show tonight if you guys get any

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updates let me know I've got all of my

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news alerts on in here and I've got you

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know a TV on dialed into some mass media

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news network that that if there is

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anything breaking I'll catch it there

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too as well so here we go let's write

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this out and see if we get through three

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hours and you never know man you just

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never know let's just hope that

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everything works out for the best for

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for some of the news outlets out there

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to say you know he's not expected to

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make it through the day I thought that

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man that's just harsh man let the family

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ride this out okay and the media you

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know an embarrassing day for the media

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and now of course the country and Las

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Vegas rode through it last night and all

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day today and it's this okay we all know

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what happened

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a shooter started shooting from the

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Mandalay Bay hotel room his name is

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Steven paddock he has been identified

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he's been ID'd he's dead and Las Vegas

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police down this is all breaking right

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before the show

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have now found 18 additional firearms

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explosives and thousands of rounds of

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ammunition in the home of the gunman

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Stephen paddock 17 firearms were found

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in his Mandalay Bay hotel room

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it was Patek who opened fire last night

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Las Vegas on to a crowd of concert goers

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killing 59 people and is the deadliest

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shooting and modern US history but the

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the story gets crazier and crazier and

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crazier starts with this Mary Lou Dan

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Lee who has identified as paddocks

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companion or roommate or girlfriend

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whatever you want to call her is

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conveniently in Tokyo and cannot be

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questioned okay the first question I

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have is this did she know about the

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stockpile of weapons what did she know

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what didn't she know the ammunition the

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explosives and if she did why didn't she

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report it and conveniently during the

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shooting over the weekend she happens to

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be out of the country and cannot be

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questioned so there that's where the the

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the strange things just kind of start

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I'll get to some more in just a bit okay

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I don't look tonight it's whitley

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strieber that's what this show was about

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this shooting in Las Vegas a city that I

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have visited probably a hundred times

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that I enjoyed that we all enjoy is

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going through a very very very tough

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place right now and watching video of

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automatic gunfire spraying down onto a

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crowd of 30,000 people is is a bit tough

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even for me to watch but for the rest of

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the country over and over and over again

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but I am puzzled with some elements of

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this case so I'm gonna talk about that

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now as the weekend folds and we're able

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to get some more information we can talk

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about it more but in the spirit of not

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throwing off emotions and going into

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darkness okay I'm gonna focus on other

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things when it comes to this shooter i

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Steven paddock I just don't know what to

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make of it okay so Oh before I move on

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I want to say happy birthday today to

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sting he is 66 and also today Rita

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Rita's gonna trip out on this because we

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were talking about this guy this weekend

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and I had told her about how funny he

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way you know and in it and today is his

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birthday I don't even know if you've

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ever heard of him right his name is

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Brian Regan Brian Regan one of the

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funniest guys ever in all of comedy

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today is 60 years old

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happy birthday Brian I am serious and if

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you know who I'm talking about if you

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checked out Brian and you know he's

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still out there doing his thing but but

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if you checked him out back in the day

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right you checked him out back in the

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day one of the funniest guys ever all

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right there you go seeing him live so

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many times slipknot guitarist Jim root

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today is 46 all right I understand

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history OTD in 1836 Darwin as in Charles

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returns to England ending a five-year

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surveying expedition you know throughout

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the southern Atlantic and Pacific Oceans

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and this information was the stuff that

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was used in his scientific work of 1859

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the Origin of Species by means of

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natural selection yeah hotness in 1836

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all right what was his boat called the

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Snoopy right wasn't his boat called the

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Snoopy figure that out let's see who can

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pop that off in Twitter first fader fact

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tanning beds are banned in Australia and

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that is a fader fact all right tonight

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Whitley Strieber is here we're gonna be

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talking about his his new book his

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latest book the super natural now the

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book itself is amazing but but it's what

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the book is about yeah check out Brian

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Thank You Brandon that's that's Brian

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Regan Brian Regan is cool I'm gonna do

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that man somebody uh somebody sent me a

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Brian's Twitter let him know that we're

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talking about him today we'll wish him

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happy birthday ah Karen McIntyre the

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Beagle Oh ejk 1984 Eddie and

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Pennsylvania nicely done the people you

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guys got that I'm impressed

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I'm impressed all right and check this

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out I hope you're impressed because that

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wasn't even in my show notes no that was

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right here are you impressed

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Tim Paul man comes in with the HMS

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Beagle all right okay I'll slow down I

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thought I was the smart guy in the room

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apparently not and you know I should

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have known I was messing with the fader

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knots all right a couple of things I'm

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gonna get some insight going here for

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you because yesterday I was one of them

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and so was Rita millions millions a

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people took took to Facebook Twitter

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Google early yesterday now the shooting

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happened in Las Vegas had started at

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around 10:00

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we got notice of it it was quick to at

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about 10:15 and when we first got word

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of it what did we do Rita and I

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immediately grabbed

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our cell phones our tablets tuned the

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television because we were watching some

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DVR selections and there was nothing on

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social media yet nothing on the news

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nothing about what was going down on Las

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Vegas that took quite a bit for it to

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hit so everybody did though right

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Facebook lit up Twitter Google way

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before the mainstream media to find out

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what was happening and Steven paddock

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you know is open fire at the concert

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from the windows of the Mandalay Bay and

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as it is done so frequently during all

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of these types of events they think of

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Orlando and and and and so forth that

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the social media giants out there fed

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readers readers faults or misleading

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information and it was coming fast

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officials now have confirmed that fifty

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nine people were killed and and 527 more

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were injured in that attack in Las Vegas

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and that paddock did not appear to have

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a political motive right now think about

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this but some users out there getting

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their information via digital platform

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started to jump on a bunch of stories

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that were breaking when nobody knew

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anything nobody knew nothing that he was

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a far left activist right he was a

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far-right activist he got both of that

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flying hatred for Donald Trump hatred

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for this hatred for that he was with

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Isis he had converted to Islam three

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months ago or or or right and all of it

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all of it you know whether right or

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wrong today last night nobody knew

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anything and Google for several hours

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yesterday surfaced a link to a thread on

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4chan that claimed that Giri Dan Lee the

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ex-husband of paddocks girlfriend was

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the shooter and that turned out to be

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wrong for Chan you know that well-known

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hub for circulating fake information and

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conspiracy theories after mass shootings

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and other terror attacks

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nevertheless it was promoted by Google

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News for users searching for Giri damli

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and and algorithmic error that the

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company says it plans to address within

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hours the 4chan story was replaced by

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relevant results this should not have

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appeared for any choirs at all and will

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continue to make improvement so this is

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all according to google facebook's a

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safety check feature meanwhile surface

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false information from flimsy sources

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sources such as alt-right news dot blog

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spot.com that right-wing fantasy site

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you know gateway pundit and spammy links

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were going out that were reportedly

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about the las vegas news story and they

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were trying to trick people into

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donating to a Bitcoin wallet Facebook

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told CNN that a link to the Gateway

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pundit post was spotted and removed but

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its removal was delayed by a few minutes

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and this is according to CNN so I don't

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even know what to buy there YouTube

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which is owned by Google still doesn't

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not to appear to be monitoring or D

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ranking videos with misleading or false

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claims as of right up to Showtime

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tonight

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the there's a video calling the Las

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Vegas shooter Stephen Patek an

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anti-trump

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afar love activist was the number two

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search result for Steph Stephen Patek on

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YouTube right now think about this

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there is no policing there is no

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monitoring for fake news and here we

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have this going on out there where we

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are starving for the real information

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about what's going on and and we're not

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getting anything twitter which relies

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mostly on raw feed instead of any

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algorithms at all to give its users

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content serves as that that overall

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point for fake news during the crisis

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because it all pops through there it's

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completely unfiltered accounts falsely

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claimed that comedian sam Hyde was

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behind the attack and that happens every

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time something like this happens

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a soccer star porn star Johnny sins was

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amongst the victims and and as

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documented by BuzzFeed right we are

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reviewing and removing content that

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violates our rules both proactively and

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through reports said it's Twitter

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spokesperson and in recent years these

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social media hoaxes have routinely

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followed in the immediate wake of these

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types of shootings Sandy Hook Sam birdie

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no paris-nice right and now we have it

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going on in Las Vegas think about this

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for a second tech companies have vowed

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to tackle all of this and and and to

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stop the spread of false and misleading

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breaking news so far in my opinion

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Silicon Valley has yet to make any

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progress at all because here it goes

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right now in Las Vegas and boom

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everything is kicking off our tea this

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afternoon went with this headline the

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headline story the headline that Isis

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claims the Las Vegas shooting now we can

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to pump the brakes here for a second it

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said so it said that in the article

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that Isis was claiming that Stephen Pat

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I converted to Islam three months ago

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now even if even if Isis said this right

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which they probably did why is it news

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why is it news

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we don't know man okay anyway I don't

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know why my phone is is up and live it

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shouldn't be but no it's off okay I

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don't know why it's it's going off I

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apologize for that why is it news why is

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it news who is vetting this story right

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and if you are vetting this story you

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know that it's just Isis making some

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claims you can assume that right maybe

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he did convert to Islam three months ago

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and nobody knew maybe it's possible

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Filipino girlfriend Isis is making

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inroads in the fill

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means maybe there's a positive is there

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connection I doubt it but what I am

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saying here is if you are vetting this

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chill out on that you don't need to

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publish this story and you don't if you

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choose to publish it and if you think it

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is news don't make it your headline

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people read the headline they don't go

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back and necessarily read this story

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think about that right that lead once

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you read the full article in RT which I

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took the time to do you see that it's

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totally misleading you go ahead and you

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read the article and says that okay well

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Isis is making this claim or Isis said

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this he you know he has no religious

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affiliation we have looked into the

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visit you know that's the body of the

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story it's not the headline to me the

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headline should have just read Isis

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tries to claim Las Vegas shooting but

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that ain't gonna get you clicks is it

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and that's where we are at with the news

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today the background behind this guy

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paddock is turning out to be a mystery

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and you would think that today your

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background your everything about you is

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out there in the public right the

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Patriot Act made sure of that

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we have no rights anymore but this guy

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paddock apparently no contact with the

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police nobody even knows who he is he's

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got two photographs online one old one

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new the new ones got his eyes closed

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he's never had a parking ticket a

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speeding ticket no contact with the law

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no DWIs no debts with the casinos he's a

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professional gambler he's got nobody mad

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at him he's by all means

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just an invisible person he's not angry

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he's got no political things he's not

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posting on social media he's not

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claiming that he's pissed off at

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somebody and he's doing this because

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he's angry at this person or this group

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or this thing or this action right

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there's nothing there there's an ex-wife

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he hasn't talked to in years he said

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it's not her it's not anything right so

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and

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with this guy this invisible guy

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apparently now he was able to acquire by

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last count 35 weapons an arsenal you

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know ammunition explosives and nobody

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knows anything anywhere no neighbor no

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nothing he is able to get these weapons

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in to the Mandalay Bay and nobody see if

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you know what kind of security is at a

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casino you can't do anything in a casino

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you can't you know what you can do in a

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casino that nobody will bother you about

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you can drink free drinks and pump

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quarters into a slot machine that's what

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you're allowed to do you step out of

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line and do anything else but that you

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got somebody coming up dead asking you

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what you're doing there right and this

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guy is able to add the valet

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how about housekeeping he checked in

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there in the 28th he did the shooting on

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the first so he had three days there

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three days housekeeping isn't going into

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his room and they don't see 18 automatic

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weapons or ammunition or clips or sights

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or night vision or tripods or any where

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did he hide all of this stuff in the

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hotel room under the bed I don't

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understand any of this now the other

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thing and this is for real and I don't

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understand why the media isn't talking

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about this why the police aren't talking

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about this Vegas out of any city even

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more so than London Vegas out of any

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city in the entire world videotapes

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everything everything every street

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corner every block every room every

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store every restaurant every everything

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you can't go anywhere in Vegas you

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cannot and and they don't know any they

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don't know absolutely nothing I just

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blown away by this

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how how I'm the 32nd floor of that

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building

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this is listen to me for a second that's

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somebody on the 32nd floor didn't pick

544
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up the phone ago man I'm hearing

545
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machine-gun fire coming from the room

546
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door I'm hearing machine-gun fire coming

547
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from across the hall and security didn't

548
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rush right up there and kick that door

549
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down my dad to go find this guy in Las

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Vegas you know seeing that that that one

551
00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:07,010
video clip well we're in the 31st floor

552
00:27:12,250 --> 00:27:10,289
we hear some machine-gun fire coming

553
00:27:15,380 --> 00:27:12,260
from us what do you mean how is that

554
00:27:17,150 --> 00:27:15,390
possible they've got video cameras go

555
00:27:19,549 --> 00:27:17,160
down our hallway in Vegas at the Monda

556
00:27:21,919 --> 00:27:19,559
Mandalay Bay there's video cameras all

557
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the way down the hallway all the way

558
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:25,970
what it's it's it's mind-blowing

559
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:29,360
it's it's it's it's very very strange

560
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,850
nobody knew anything and then okay I got

561
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:34,799
to go I got to get whitley in here but

562
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:36,960
this is the other thing no suicide note

563
00:27:43,970 --> 00:27:40,049
no nothing no paper trail and he just he

564
00:27:47,270 --> 00:27:43,980
kills 59 people you know as horrific as

565
00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:47,280
that is but then he shoots himself he

566
00:27:50,899 --> 00:27:49,470
didn't even get to live and nobody knows

567
00:27:54,529 --> 00:27:50,909
why he did it

568
00:27:57,260 --> 00:27:54,539
it's I'm confused I need some answers

569
00:27:59,539 --> 00:27:57,270
here and this is when we need the media

570
00:28:02,299 --> 00:27:59,549
to step up and do some honest reporting

571
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:02,309
and we'll never get it but if we've ever

572
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needed it now's the time I will do the

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best that I can

574
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it's just strange and with that man I'm

575
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almost out of time I got to get out of

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here I got to get whitley in here it's

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fade to black I'm your host Jimmy church

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tonight Whitley Strieber we're gonna be

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I'll be right back with Willie stay

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645
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all right welcome back

646
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fade to black I'm Hill shimmy Church on

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the game changer networking que GRA the

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planet I want to remind everybody about

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the great week that we've got set up

650
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dead ahead tonight Whitley Strieber

651
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tomorrow night Larry Holcomb is going to

652
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be here and Wednesday night james

653
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gilliland is going to be talking about

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the recent videos that we have been

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posting from ecity Ranch and then of

656
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course Thursday night is Fator night

657
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with Jon Rappoport and his no more fake

658
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newsroom live and open lines all night

659
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long tonight it's Whitley Whitley

660
00:33:23,879 --> 00:33:21,669
Strieber the author of communion and the

661
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entire series of books and many novels

662
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ranging from the Wolfen and the hunger

663
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to the grays and of course the Alien

664
00:33:32,489 --> 00:33:30,369
Hunter series communion the wolf and the

665
00:33:35,639 --> 00:33:32,499
hunger and superstorm have all been made

666
00:33:37,979 --> 00:33:35,649
into movies super storm as the day after

667
00:33:40,409 --> 00:33:37,989
tomorrow and you know I'm gonna ask

668
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:40,419
Whitley about this you know super storm

669
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:42,609
and then what's going on right now with

670
00:33:48,210 --> 00:33:45,369
the weather is is a pretty prophetic

671
00:33:51,570 --> 00:33:48,220
book I wonder if he even understood its

672
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,580
importance today he is a Texan and the

673
00:33:56,430 --> 00:33:53,440
secret school has been listed by the

674
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:56,440
Texas Monthly among the top 10 books

675
00:34:01,560 --> 00:33:59,679
ever written by a Texan Alien Hunter has

676
00:34:03,629 --> 00:34:01,570
been made into a TV series over on the

677
00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:03,639
Sci Fi Channel but tonight we're going

678
00:34:08,339 --> 00:34:05,769
to talk about Supernatural a new vision

679
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:08,349
of the unexplained and it's his latest

680
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:10,690
book written with Professor Jeffrey cry

681
00:34:14,909 --> 00:34:12,879
pol and it redefines the meaning of the

682
00:34:16,139 --> 00:34:14,919
close encounter and the UFO phenomena

683
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:16,149
and it has been called the most

684
00:34:19,950 --> 00:34:18,129
important book on the paranormal in the

685
00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:19,960
last 40 years and that was by author

686
00:34:26,210 --> 00:34:22,990
Gary Janssen tonight we're gonna cover

687
00:34:28,619 --> 00:34:26,220
supernatural Whitley's book but also

688
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:28,629
another book that he is wearing we're

689
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:30,129
gonna talk about this later on tonight

690
00:34:36,990 --> 00:34:34,450
with his wife and now what that means I

691
00:34:39,389 --> 00:34:37,000
can't wait to hear this from Whitley and

692
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:39,399
if I get the chance tonight I will do

693
00:34:43,889 --> 00:34:41,200
what I always do with Whitley and I'm

694
00:34:46,139 --> 00:34:43,899
gonna try to pry some of those private

695
00:34:48,059 --> 00:34:46,149
experiences out of him that he's never

696
00:34:48,569 --> 00:34:48,069
shared publicly I'll give it my best

697
00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:48,579
shot

698
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,409
Whitley welcome back to fade to black

699
00:34:56,630 --> 00:34:52,800
how are you

700
00:35:05,099 --> 00:35:01,349
Whitley I do not have Whitley we just

701
00:35:05,849 --> 00:35:05,109
soundcheck maybe he took a break Whitley

702
00:35:08,910 --> 00:35:05,859
are you there

703
00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:08,920
oh okay

704
00:35:19,339 --> 00:35:15,670
wow that's strange let me reset Whitley

705
00:35:20,910 --> 00:35:19,349
are you there I'm gonna do this live are

706
00:35:23,690 --> 00:35:20,920
you

707
00:35:27,150 --> 00:35:23,700
there we'll send him a quick text oh

708
00:35:31,380 --> 00:35:27,160
yeah he is there he is not there I heard

709
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:31,390
that in the background okay Wow

710
00:35:39,630 --> 00:35:32,890
I will just sit here and wait for

711
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:39,640
Whitley then Whitley okay I hear him

712
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:43,200
stirring in the background I wonder uh

713
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:45,310
know what let's have fun

714
00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:56,060
[Laughter]

715
00:36:08,579 --> 00:36:00,690
cell phone hey Whitley we're live on the

716
00:36:15,740 --> 00:36:08,589
air okay well uh we can hear you Whitley

717
00:36:20,099 --> 00:36:18,870
hey Whitley we're live on the air I know

718
00:36:23,370 --> 00:36:20,109
something's wrong

719
00:36:26,190 --> 00:36:23,380
yeah that's strange yeah well it's not

720
00:36:29,220 --> 00:36:26,200
strange I oh okay

721
00:36:33,839 --> 00:36:29,230
now that dis can wow this is bizarre now

722
00:36:34,579 --> 00:36:33,849
I'm having fun okay that's cool hey

723
00:36:40,020 --> 00:36:34,589
Whitley

724
00:36:42,930 --> 00:36:40,030
can you hear me okay here we go this is

725
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:42,940
fun you know what I haven't are you

726
00:36:47,010 --> 00:36:45,130
there I'm here okay

727
00:36:51,180 --> 00:36:47,020
now can you hear me now yeah now I got

728
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:51,190
you can I still hear you know when I

729
00:36:58,070 --> 00:36:55,570
hang up your cellphone it hangs up the

730
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:58,080
other direct connection that we have

731
00:37:05,429 --> 00:37:01,839
okay I can hear you Whitley okay I can

732
00:37:09,069 --> 00:37:05,439
barely hear you okay

733
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:09,079
Jim Jimmy I've had a lot of trouble

734
00:37:12,909 --> 00:37:11,119
right now I'm just at this moment

735
00:37:15,549 --> 00:37:12,919
dealing with an invasion of my bank

736
00:37:20,409 --> 00:37:15,559
accounts my site has been under attack

737
00:37:22,569 --> 00:37:20,419
for weeks and I think someone is just

738
00:37:24,939 --> 00:37:22,579
after me you want to in a major way and

739
00:37:26,169 --> 00:37:24,949
I'm it feels like a state player to tell

740
00:37:28,059 --> 00:37:26,179
you the truth because it's just so

741
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:28,069
powerful yeah I don't know if you can

742
00:37:30,249 --> 00:37:29,599
hear me or not right now I can barely

743
00:37:36,579 --> 00:37:30,259
hear you

744
00:37:39,849 --> 00:37:36,589
what was strange Whitley is that when it

745
00:37:42,189 --> 00:37:39,859
would only connect if I was calling you

746
00:37:44,769 --> 00:37:42,199
on your cell phone which is as separate

747
00:37:47,409 --> 00:37:44,779
as you and I both know a separate line

748
00:37:52,029 --> 00:37:47,419
altogether that's right a separate line

749
00:37:57,279 --> 00:37:52,039
altogether and Wow Wow Wow

750
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:57,289
okay well you want to take a few minutes

751
00:37:59,709 --> 00:37:58,640
and sit down and talk with this or do

752
00:38:04,120 --> 00:37:59,719
you have to go and deal with this

753
00:38:05,919 --> 00:38:04,130
emergency what I want to do is get a set

754
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:05,929
of headphones in hopes that I'll be able

755
00:38:08,319 --> 00:38:07,609
to hear you it'll take me one minute

756
00:38:09,939 --> 00:38:08,329
okay

757
00:38:12,189 --> 00:38:09,949
all right well why don't you go and do

758
00:38:17,229 --> 00:38:12,199
that I'll mute you and then just come

759
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:17,239
back and talk to me very strange what is

760
00:38:24,339 --> 00:38:22,130
going on right now Wow and you know I

761
00:38:27,899 --> 00:38:24,349
know I know Whitley pretty well we have

762
00:38:31,059 --> 00:38:27,909
a lot of conversations and privately

763
00:38:33,669 --> 00:38:31,069
he's a very calm cool and collected and

764
00:38:38,019 --> 00:38:33,679
together guy to hear that in his voice

765
00:38:38,979 --> 00:38:38,029
right now I know that are you there yes

766
00:38:40,809 --> 00:38:38,989
okay

767
00:38:43,870 --> 00:38:40,819
things came up but now I have a severe

768
00:38:46,839 --> 00:38:43,880
echo okay well you don't have an echo on

769
00:38:48,729 --> 00:38:46,849
my end so if we're good on your end I've

770
00:38:50,349 --> 00:38:48,739
lived through a lot of echoes in my life

771
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:50,359
not gonna bother me

772
00:38:55,029 --> 00:38:53,089
so let's go what I was just saying to

773
00:38:57,429 --> 00:38:55,039
the audience Whitley is you and I talk a

774
00:38:59,229 --> 00:38:57,439
lot off the air and you are always in

775
00:39:03,069 --> 00:38:59,239
control you're very calm cool collected

776
00:39:05,259 --> 00:39:03,079
and and insightful and for me to hear

777
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:05,269
this panic in your voice right now it

778
00:39:10,659 --> 00:39:07,609
just tells me that something's going on

779
00:39:14,109 --> 00:39:10,669
and and you just never know this world

780
00:39:16,149 --> 00:39:14,119
is is a strange place but then when you

781
00:39:18,700 --> 00:39:16,159
go into the next version of the world

782
00:39:22,510 --> 00:39:18,710
which is our world right it's just

783
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:22,520
stranger and well like for example five

784
00:39:29,230 --> 00:39:25,609
minutes ago all the cards I had of an

785
00:39:33,010 --> 00:39:29,240
Apple pay were deactivated and there is

786
00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:33,020
no way that can happen unless it is done

787
00:39:38,980 --> 00:39:35,300
it is not something that simply pops up

788
00:39:42,609 --> 00:39:38,990
right somebody just did it just a few

789
00:39:45,010 --> 00:39:42,619
minutes ago and I've changed passwords

790
00:39:49,390 --> 00:39:45,020
that's all I can do right but you know

791
00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:49,400
these days with this crazy that Equifax

792
00:39:57,609 --> 00:39:54,710
hack and everything I have life lock so

793
00:40:01,060 --> 00:39:57,619
at least I am pretty sure that no one's

794
00:40:02,859 --> 00:40:01,070
gonna try to steal my credit but things

795
00:40:06,130 --> 00:40:02,869
like this are gonna just start happening

796
00:40:08,140 --> 00:40:06,140
to people somebody probably saw the name

797
00:40:09,849 --> 00:40:08,150
whitley strieber and thought oh I'm

798
00:40:13,060 --> 00:40:09,859
gonna screw with that guy that's a

799
00:40:15,849 --> 00:40:13,070
famous name right and started screwing

800
00:40:17,410 --> 00:40:15,859
with me alright could be a state player

801
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:17,420
because of the way the things that are

802
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:20,210
happening and on my website like we have

803
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,530
a our streams run off of a off of us off

804
00:40:30,940 --> 00:40:26,720
of a service not directly off of our own

805
00:40:32,890 --> 00:40:30,950
servers and what has been happening is

806
00:40:36,010 --> 00:40:32,900
the streams keep stopping and the reason

807
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:36,020
is is it turns out somebody has put a

808
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:39,770
script on their server on this on the

809
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:44,210
services server mm-hmm that puts a pixel

810
00:40:51,940 --> 00:40:48,050
maybe two pixels between two parts of

811
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:51,950
the file name of the audio file meaning

812
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:53,570
it stops that's all it takes

813
00:40:57,540 --> 00:40:56,450
yeah that's all it takes and if you

814
00:41:02,020 --> 00:40:57,550
replace it

815
00:41:04,450 --> 00:41:02,030
ten minutes later it happens again so

816
00:41:06,490 --> 00:41:04,460
I've got the streams running off of the

817
00:41:09,609 --> 00:41:06,500
he of the latest program running off of

818
00:41:12,849 --> 00:41:09,619
a hidden server now and I don't know

819
00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:12,859
what to do with with this because so far

820
00:41:17,710 --> 00:41:15,710
the streaming service has not has said

821
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:17,720
they simply can't they can't find out

822
00:41:21,940 --> 00:41:19,010
they can't figure out how it's being

823
00:41:23,859 --> 00:41:21,950
done yeah but that's not that plus the

824
00:41:26,349 --> 00:41:23,869
degradation of my website where they

825
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:26,359
screwed with the advertising section

826
00:41:31,089 --> 00:41:29,450
they screwed with the store section they

827
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:31,099
tried to screw with the subscriber

828
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:32,330
section but you can't

829
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:35,570
because all the data is kept in like in

830
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:39,050
a vault on it on a in a run by a company

831
00:41:44,140 --> 00:41:41,570
that's only job is to keep it safe right

832
00:41:47,530 --> 00:41:44,150
right so that they could not succeed in

833
00:41:49,420 --> 00:41:47,540
but it's just too endless screwing and

834
00:41:51,340 --> 00:41:49,430
degradation and let me tell you

835
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:51,350
something it's the same kind of thing

836
00:42:00,910 --> 00:41:57,920
that the that state players do to

837
00:42:08,250 --> 00:42:00,920
entities they don't like like the

838
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:10,450
terrorists websites you know where

839
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:13,130
they're asking for donations and stuff

840
00:42:18,490 --> 00:42:16,370
like that or have radio podcasts and

841
00:42:20,910 --> 00:42:18,500
things right right and the Russians do

842
00:42:25,540 --> 00:42:20,920
it too a lot of people do it we do know

843
00:42:28,060 --> 00:42:25,550
that a lot of the initial attacks on

844
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:28,070
unknown country comm emanated from

845
00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:33,370
Pakistan and there's of course a big

846
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:35,510
intelligence service with an excellent

847
00:42:41,230 --> 00:42:38,510
cyber warfare unit in Pakistani

848
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:41,240
intelligence which will answer to

849
00:42:46,570 --> 00:42:43,370
requests from British or American

850
00:42:48,940 --> 00:42:46,580
intelligence so I have no idea if that

851
00:42:52,980 --> 00:42:48,950
was involved or not and if it was

852
00:42:55,930 --> 00:42:52,990
involved then it is almost certainly not

853
00:42:58,690 --> 00:42:55,940
official it's something somebody's doing

854
00:43:00,520 --> 00:42:58,700
kind of on the side because you know

855
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:00,530
there's this schism going on between the

856
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:02,960
intelligence community and the and the

857
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:05,210
administration and people are kind of

858
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,040
getting turning into some people might

859
00:43:12,460 --> 00:43:09,680
be just cowboying it out there and just

860
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,470
tormenting me because you know it's they

861
00:43:17,350 --> 00:43:14,240
don't like me very much and it's fun and

862
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:17,360
this is this is what we do I'm not gonna

863
00:43:20,590 --> 00:43:19,130
go into a bunch of detail on this

864
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:20,600
because it would take too much time but

865
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:24,770
this is what we do we have redundant

866
00:43:30,460 --> 00:43:27,770
systems we have our own dedicated

867
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:30,470
servers that's the first thing second we

868
00:43:36,340 --> 00:43:33,170
have a second set of dedicated servers

869
00:43:38,890 --> 00:43:36,350
at a separate location third we have a

870
00:43:42,250 --> 00:43:38,900
backup system where everything cranks

871
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:42,260
down to another level of thousands of

872
00:43:48,670 --> 00:43:45,710
servers that the data is spread across

873
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:48,680
all of this is on different rings of the

874
00:43:55,180 --> 00:43:52,400
internet okay now what that allows us to

875
00:44:00,070 --> 00:43:55,190
do our passwords are in a separate

876
00:44:02,349 --> 00:44:00,080
location there is nothing nothing on my

877
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:02,359
purse I run five computers for this show

878
00:44:07,660 --> 00:44:05,359
there is nothing about this show that is

879
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,670
on these computers there's another gear

880
00:44:11,140 --> 00:44:09,440
there's no passwords there's nothing

881
00:44:14,020 --> 00:44:11,150
there's no data there's no email there's

882
00:44:16,420 --> 00:44:14,030
no there's no subscriber base there's no

883
00:44:19,810 --> 00:44:16,430
personal information there's nothing is

884
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:19,820
done here so they came to me they would

885
00:44:24,099 --> 00:44:21,680
find nothing it would I have to they

886
00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:24,109
would have to locate around the country

887
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:26,510
the different you know what I mean so

888
00:44:31,150 --> 00:44:28,130
yeah I get what you mean and it's

889
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:31,160
expensive but it allows us to have this

890
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:33,170
redundancy and nobody's got the

891
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:38,810
passwords nobody's got them I'm not

892
00:44:43,930 --> 00:44:41,839
gonna tell you exactly aloud exactly

893
00:44:46,359 --> 00:44:43,940
what we do but it's similar do you have

894
00:44:49,210 --> 00:44:46,369
is these data I warned you that people

895
00:44:51,849 --> 00:44:49,220
can get past this you'd be amazed I know

896
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:51,859
I know we're not we've only done the

897
00:44:58,720 --> 00:44:54,890
best that we can do that's all any of us

898
00:45:02,470 --> 00:44:58,730
can do but you know why us I I can think

899
00:45:05,050 --> 00:45:02,480
of I can think of lots of people who are

900
00:45:07,390 --> 00:45:05,060
more deserving of this kind of BS than

901
00:45:11,740 --> 00:45:07,400
we are well you know this is what this

902
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:11,750
is how I find comfort right do it is

903
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:16,160
that we matter that's why I think we

904
00:45:22,510 --> 00:45:19,130
might matter a lot more you know then

905
00:45:24,910 --> 00:45:22,520
that is the truth Whitley yeah I think

906
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:24,920
we might then then they will ever say

907
00:45:29,859 --> 00:45:27,770
and and look if they stopped messing

908
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:29,869
with you that's when you have to step

909
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:34,640
back and go well I'm doing sideline and

910
00:45:39,220 --> 00:45:38,690
that's how if you think I'm not telling

911
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:39,230
the truth

912
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:41,330
believe me I'm being messed with enough

913
00:45:49,690 --> 00:45:47,599
enough to prove that I am oh man now now

914
00:45:54,010 --> 00:45:49,700
I've got the old Whitley back there we

915
00:45:58,270 --> 00:45:54,020
go okay so let's actually do this I want

916
00:46:01,100 --> 00:45:58,280
to start the conversation here there are

917
00:46:03,590 --> 00:46:01,110
there might be somebody in the United

918
00:46:06,110 --> 00:46:03,600
States that has not read communion I

919
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:06,120
know it sounds strange right I know it

920
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,210
it's it's a stretch but let's kind of

921
00:46:14,270 --> 00:46:11,760
start there for the audience that may

922
00:46:17,110 --> 00:46:14,280
not be familiar with everything else as

923
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:17,120
we connect the dots tonight through the

924
00:46:25,850 --> 00:46:21,530
supernatural what happened in your life

925
00:46:30,170 --> 00:46:25,860
that caused you to write communion let's

926
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:30,180
start right there okay let's go back to

927
00:46:35,570 --> 00:46:33,450
a time shortly after the fall of the

928
00:46:41,540 --> 00:46:35,580
Roman Empire when I was a young man

929
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:41,550
right before electricity I had as my

930
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:44,250
friends have many times reminded me

931
00:46:49,850 --> 00:46:47,400
other contempt for any kind of UFO stuff

932
00:46:52,070 --> 00:46:49,860
that people might talk about I was a

933
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:52,080
novelist I had written some literary

934
00:46:56,210 --> 00:46:54,210
novels some horror novels I had a couple

935
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:56,220
of movies made from a couple of my books

936
00:47:02,600 --> 00:46:59,280
I was flying pretty high

937
00:47:04,340 --> 00:47:02,610
I had my book war day had been read on

938
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:04,350
the floor of the United States Senate

939
00:47:09,590 --> 00:47:07,050
and it was a you know I was a well

940
00:47:13,970 --> 00:47:09,600
respected writer we bought a little

941
00:47:17,570 --> 00:47:13,980
cabin in upstate New York about my 90

942
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:17,580
miles north of Manhattan behind the

943
00:47:25,580 --> 00:47:22,770
cabin there was a 15 mile open country

944
00:47:27,290 --> 00:47:25,590
area of state land the cabin was in a

945
00:47:30,830 --> 00:47:27,300
little area with six or seven other

946
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:30,840
similar cabins very wonderful isolated

947
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:34,920
little place to go and relax and be

948
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:37,650
outside of the hurly-burly and the city

949
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:40,110
and the dangers back in those days New

950
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,850
York was a lot more dangerous than it is

951
00:47:46,490 --> 00:47:44,160
now right so you know you felt it on the

952
00:47:48,650 --> 00:47:46,500
streets at night man we lived in the

953
00:47:51,530 --> 00:47:48,660
village and it was pretty loud noisy on

954
00:47:55,850 --> 00:47:51,540
weekends and so we were really enjoying

955
00:47:57,380 --> 00:47:55,860
this except for one problem I was scared

956
00:48:00,740 --> 00:47:57,390
to death

957
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:00,750
I bought a shotgun

958
00:48:08,990 --> 00:48:05,760
I bought a pistol I spent all one night

959
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:09,000
installing an alarm system i patrolled

960
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:11,520
the place with the shotgun I

961
00:48:17,180 --> 00:48:14,160
sat outside my little boy's room he was

962
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:17,190
a little 7 year old at the time with the

963
00:48:22,070 --> 00:48:19,890
shotgun I would then I would worry about

964
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,080
my wife and go up and check on her and

965
00:48:27,620 --> 00:48:24,240
come back down again I was and she said

966
00:48:30,410 --> 00:48:27,630
you know Whitley this is the most

967
00:48:33,220 --> 00:48:30,420
unrelaxed experience I can remember

968
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:33,230
having in my life married or unmarried

969
00:48:42,020 --> 00:48:37,200
you're terrified out here do you know

970
00:48:44,540 --> 00:48:42,030
why since and she had checked there have

971
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:44,550
been no crimes whatsoever committed in

972
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:49,410
this community in 22 years 22 years ago

973
00:48:56,090 --> 00:48:51,930
there may have been a robbery no one's

974
00:48:58,250 --> 00:48:56,100
actually sure it was a robbery so the

975
00:49:00,530 --> 00:48:58,260
statistics are definitely against the

976
00:49:04,780 --> 00:49:00,540
shotgun so what are you what's going on

977
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:04,790
I was sick with the fear Jimmy

978
00:49:18,410 --> 00:49:12,530
then one night right after Christmas I

979
00:49:23,180 --> 00:49:18,420
woke up in the at first I thought I was

980
00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:23,190
in the woods and it was snowy and there

981
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:26,310
were these strange beings around me that

982
00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:31,050
people in like body suits with helmets

983
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,000
on that just that covered their eyes and

984
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:36,000
nose and and there was a guy there who I

985
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:41,310
knew and the next thing I know I'm up

986
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:43,920
I'm in this little room I went up in the

987
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:47,280
air but I didn't remember that and I

988
00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:49,890
went through a hell of an experience in

989
00:49:56,900 --> 00:49:52,110
that room I got raped is what happened

990
00:49:58,910 --> 00:49:56,910
to me and you know I said everyone who

991
00:50:01,460 --> 00:49:58,920
remembers these stories remembers that

992
00:50:03,890 --> 00:50:01,470
the media picked up almost exclusively

993
00:50:07,970 --> 00:50:03,900
on the idea of the rectal probe right

994
00:50:10,010 --> 00:50:07,980
which I very delicately described it in

995
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:10,020
my book so as not to offend anybody

996
00:50:15,380 --> 00:50:12,090
that's the way I chose to describe it

997
00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:15,390
and it turned out I turned out to be the

998
00:50:22,460 --> 00:50:20,280
one person who became not just treated

999
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:22,470
with contempt for being raped but

1000
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:24,570
treated as laughing a national and

1001
00:50:28,130 --> 00:50:25,440
international

1002
00:50:31,490 --> 00:50:28,140
laughing stock for having that happen to

1003
00:50:35,930 --> 00:50:31,500
me and that was hard that was very hard

1004
00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:35,940
anyway there was a an unbelievably

1005
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,000
intense experience that night that they

1006
00:50:44,839 --> 00:50:41,760
put something in the side of my head I

1007
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:44,849
was terrified being on words because I

1008
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:47,130
kept trying to wake up and it didn't

1009
00:50:51,170 --> 00:50:49,770
help I did not wake up I was awake but

1010
00:50:53,870 --> 00:50:51,180
how could this be

1011
00:50:57,650 --> 00:50:53,880
how could I be then this place right

1012
00:50:59,839 --> 00:50:57,660
with these creatures they were tall

1013
00:51:01,730 --> 00:50:59,849
willowy ones with great big black eyes

1014
00:51:03,859 --> 00:51:01,740
like you see on the cover of the old

1015
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:03,869
editions of Communion and there were

1016
00:51:11,569 --> 00:51:06,690
these short dark blue figures with low

1017
00:51:16,460 --> 00:51:11,579
gravity voices who were who were kind of

1018
00:51:22,819 --> 00:51:16,470
helping them I was just at a loss the

1019
00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:22,829
next morning I woke up and I thought to

1020
00:51:30,349 --> 00:51:28,260
myself I got the eeriest feeling and I

1021
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:30,359
said to my wife at breakfast you know an

1022
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:33,119
owl got in the house last night I was

1023
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:35,089
thinking those big eyes of course right

1024
00:51:39,859 --> 00:51:37,920
she said oh really how would that happen

1025
00:51:42,190 --> 00:51:39,869
since the house among other things was

1026
00:51:45,230 --> 00:51:42,200
closed up tight and had no chimney I

1027
00:51:49,450 --> 00:51:45,240
said well I don't know but it flew

1028
00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:49,460
around in the house and that was a

1029
00:52:02,859 --> 00:51:54,510
screen memory of the event then evening

1030
00:52:08,540 --> 00:52:02,869
fell and I as it began to get dark the a

1031
00:52:11,210 --> 00:52:08,550
bone-chilling terror came over me and I

1032
00:52:14,089 --> 00:52:11,220
thought to myself that owl stood on the

1033
00:52:18,250 --> 00:52:14,099
sill of the window in the back of our

1034
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:18,260
bedroom I saw it and I went up there and

1035
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:22,770
I looked at that sill and there were no

1036
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:26,250
there had been no new snow and there was

1037
00:52:33,460 --> 00:52:28,890
no footprints on it of any kind of bird

1038
00:52:36,339 --> 00:52:33,470
at all and at that moment I realized

1039
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:36,349
something awful had happened to me

1040
00:52:42,589 --> 00:52:39,210
didn't occur to me that anything

1041
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:42,599
like aliens or anything like that never

1042
00:52:48,770 --> 00:52:46,530
even crossed my mind I thought to myself

1043
00:52:52,220 --> 00:52:48,780
I had some kind of a psychotic break

1044
00:52:53,150 --> 00:52:52,230
I've got a baby and a kid and a wife

1045
00:52:56,030 --> 00:52:53,160
mm-hmm

1046
00:52:58,190 --> 00:52:56,040
they're gonna if if I end up in that

1047
00:53:01,070 --> 00:52:58,200
state unable to get out of it in some

1048
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:01,080
kind of home yeah unraveled completely

1049
00:53:05,450 --> 00:53:03,570
unraveled right what happens to her

1050
00:53:09,170 --> 00:53:05,460
because she can't divorce me in those

1051
00:53:12,589 --> 00:53:09,180
days in New York State for years she's

1052
00:53:14,300 --> 00:53:12,599
trapped so I really thought to myself

1053
00:53:17,089 --> 00:53:14,310
maybe you better blow your damn brains

1054
00:53:19,849 --> 00:53:17,099
out you [\h__\h] but then I thought well

1055
00:53:22,099 --> 00:53:19,859
maybe you better go to the doctor so I

1056
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:22,109
hide out to the doctor first thing in

1057
00:53:27,579 --> 00:53:24,960
the next couple days I told him what I

1058
00:53:29,930 --> 00:53:27,589
remembered and he says to me

1059
00:53:31,609 --> 00:53:29,940
Whitley it sounds like you're telling me

1060
00:53:36,770 --> 00:53:31,619
you were taken aboard a flying saucer by

1061
00:53:39,890 --> 00:53:36,780
little men and I said holy God it does

1062
00:53:41,420 --> 00:53:39,900
right I must sound like an idiot he said

1063
00:53:43,420 --> 00:53:41,430
well yeah that would be one way of

1064
00:53:46,940 --> 00:53:43,430
describing it but I'm thinking

1065
00:53:48,740 --> 00:53:46,950
psychiatrist and I'm thinking MRI just

1066
00:53:51,980 --> 00:53:48,750
to be sure we're not looking at a brain

1067
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:51,990
problem and I said well you know my butt

1068
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:52,650
hurts

1069
00:53:58,849 --> 00:53:56,970
he said like take a look he says I am

1070
00:53:59,720 --> 00:53:58,859
sorry to tell you this mr. Shubert's

1071
00:54:03,280 --> 00:53:59,730
you've been raped

1072
00:54:10,670 --> 00:54:03,290
you've got contusions characteristic of

1073
00:54:14,210 --> 00:54:10,680
a very rough anal intrusion I know you

1074
00:54:16,609 --> 00:54:14,220
threw up because it man was all real

1075
00:54:20,180 --> 00:54:16,619
that is part of the story I never used

1076
00:54:23,630 --> 00:54:20,190
to tell never right took 30 years 25

1077
00:54:28,220 --> 00:54:23,640
years even to say the words I was raped

1078
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,230
to my wife yeah yeah to my wife and I

1079
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:30,240
sat there on one show after another

1080
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:35,280
listening to him laughing at me you know

1081
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:37,530
you could get bitter but I'm a I'm I'm

1082
00:54:45,050 --> 00:54:41,040
not that type of anyway well you know

1083
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:45,060
and and you I can't imagine

1084
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:48,810
because a lot of us deal with when

1085
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:50,490
you're at a certain part of the public

1086
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:52,890
eye we all deal with the

1087
00:54:56,990 --> 00:54:55,290
critics the skeptics the the jokes the

1088
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:57,000
laugh that you know whatever the lies

1089
00:55:02,690 --> 00:55:00,240
and and I've been through it but I I

1090
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:02,700
can't imagine going through which he

1091
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:06,720
went through and it was everybody

1092
00:55:11,090 --> 00:55:08,910
thought well vote not everybody but

1093
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:11,100
those out there thought that cracking

1094
00:55:16,700 --> 00:55:14,370
jokes about it was funny and in and you

1095
00:55:18,290 --> 00:55:16,710
they they don't understand that there is

1096
00:55:20,180 --> 00:55:18,300
actually somebody at the other end of

1097
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:20,190
this you know and it's not cool

1098
00:55:25,310 --> 00:55:23,040
and you wrote it out and and you are one

1099
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:25,320
of the smartest most intelligent bright

1100
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:28,110
eyed people that I know we've sat next

1101
00:55:31,970 --> 00:55:29,640
to each other and looked right into each

1102
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:31,980
other's eyes you're you're here you're

1103
00:55:35,780 --> 00:55:34,530
together today but you're absolutely

1104
00:55:38,660 --> 00:55:35,790
right

1105
00:55:41,470 --> 00:55:38,670
if that had to have been a rough rough

1106
00:55:46,370 --> 00:55:41,480
period to go through and it's not cool

1107
00:55:50,540 --> 00:55:46,380
no it was not cool it was well the next

1108
00:55:54,140 --> 00:55:50,550
step though well see I remembered the

1109
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:54,150
guy who was there I remembered him

1110
00:55:57,710 --> 00:55:55,920
because we had gone to high school in

1111
00:56:00,380 --> 00:55:57,720
college together and I knew him I mean I

1112
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:00,390
had talked to him two years before he

1113
00:56:05,690 --> 00:56:01,410
had joined the Central Intelligence

1114
00:56:08,810 --> 00:56:05,700
Agency and you know when he was active

1115
00:56:11,540 --> 00:56:08,820
CIA we didn't hear much from him but

1116
00:56:13,850 --> 00:56:11,550
then after he got out of it we talked

1117
00:56:15,860 --> 00:56:13,860
quite a bit actually we sort of the

1118
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:15,870
friendships sorted started up again

1119
00:56:20,270 --> 00:56:17,760
although he didn't talk him anything

1120
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:20,280
about his his involvement but see I

1121
00:56:25,310 --> 00:56:22,410
remembered what he said when he was in

1122
00:56:27,020 --> 00:56:25,320
that circle of these beings in the woods

1123
00:56:30,260 --> 00:56:27,030
he said he talked about the stealth

1124
00:56:32,510 --> 00:56:30,270
bomber and fighter having defective

1125
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:32,520
exhaust manifolds and that the planes

1126
00:56:37,070 --> 00:56:34,890
were going to catch fire now this is

1127
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:37,080
when these things were so secret they

1128
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:38,250
weren't even being mentioned in the

1129
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:38,850
press

1130
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:42,000
nobody knew nobody knew what I didn't

1131
00:56:46,940 --> 00:56:42,960
even know what he was talking about

1132
00:56:49,220 --> 00:56:46,950
right now but I did think to myself this

1133
00:56:50,980 --> 00:56:49,230
I wrote a book called war day I just

1134
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:50,990
referred to it a few minutes ago I think

1135
00:56:56,090 --> 00:56:53,370
this book had pissed off certain

1136
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:56,100
powerful people in in in in the

1137
00:57:00,380 --> 00:56:57,810
government for various reasons I won't

1138
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:00,390
even go into it's too complicated and I

1139
00:57:04,250 --> 00:57:02,400
thought to my side been warned by the

1140
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:04,260
stat a staff member of one of the

1141
00:57:09,820 --> 00:57:05,570
senators the

1142
00:57:12,190 --> 00:57:09,830
I could get they could there could be

1143
00:57:14,410 --> 00:57:12,200
some dirty tricks which I would have

1144
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:14,420
thought would have been a hostile tax

1145
00:57:18,370 --> 00:57:16,910
audit political tax audit in those days

1146
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:18,380
were just ordinary course of business

1147
00:57:21,850 --> 00:57:20,330
sure I don't think there is common now

1148
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:21,860
as they used to be but they were just

1149
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:24,710
ordinary in those days so that was what

1150
00:57:29,050 --> 00:57:26,330
I was kind of expecting but I thought to

1151
00:57:30,430 --> 00:57:29,060
myself he's a CIA guy how all this weird

1152
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:30,440
stuff happen do you suppose they've gave

1153
00:57:36,130 --> 00:57:32,450
me some kind of drugs to try to drive me

1154
00:57:39,610 --> 00:57:36,140
crazy is this the dirty trick right so

1155
00:57:41,770 --> 00:57:39,620
my brain was clear I then took a test

1156
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:41,780
for temporal lobe epilepsy that turned

1157
00:57:52,900 --> 00:57:48,170
out to be clear so what could it have

1158
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:52,910
been I finally ended up we need to take

1159
00:57:57,340 --> 00:57:55,130
a break right here Whitley so well we'll

1160
00:58:01,390 --> 00:57:57,350
pick up where we are leaving off but

1161
00:58:04,420 --> 00:58:01,400
I'll say this I my vote is I would have

1162
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:04,430
I would have invited epilepsy that would

1163
00:58:10,450 --> 00:58:08,450
have I would have loved it exactly you

1164
00:58:12,820 --> 00:58:10,460
would have relieved let's take a break I

1165
00:58:15,310 --> 00:58:12,830
know relieved we can do something about

1166
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:15,320
this yeah exactly our guest tonight

1167
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:16,910
Whitley Strieber we're gonna be

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00:58:22,570 --> 00:58:20,210
discussing his book a supernatural right

1169
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:22,580
now we're leading up to that and gonna

1170
00:58:25,660 --> 00:58:23,810
connect some dots

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00:58:27,580 --> 00:58:25,670
I'm heroes Jimmy church this is fade to

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00:58:29,300 --> 00:58:27,590
black Moore Whitley right after this

1173
00:58:48,180 --> 00:58:29,310
short break stay with us

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00:58:53,339 --> 00:58:50,599
[Music]

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00:58:55,819 --> 00:58:53,349
this is fade to black with Jimmy Church

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00:59:00,079 --> 00:58:55,829
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repping the planet and you're listening

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[Applause]

1238
01:02:25,150 --> 01:02:22,570
welcome back fade to black our guest

1239
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:25,160
tonight Whitley Strieber we're talking

1240
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:29,090
about and leading up to his latest book

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01:02:35,980 --> 01:02:33,050
a super natural it's an amazing amazing

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Whitley so let's let's go back to where

1249
01:03:02,110 --> 01:02:58,470
stealth bombers leaking of information

1250
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:02,120
publishing or as starting to get this

1251
01:03:08,890 --> 01:03:03,680
information out there is where we left

1252
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:08,900
off yeah where we left off was I was

1253
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:11,920
thinking that this guy might have been

1254
01:03:17,770 --> 01:03:14,240
involved in a dirty trick being played

1255
01:03:20,530 --> 01:03:17,780
on me and I thought to myself I'm gonna

1256
01:03:22,570 --> 01:03:20,540
go after this because this is bad stuff

1257
01:03:25,690 --> 01:03:22,580
and I'm gonna sue the United States

1258
01:03:27,100 --> 01:03:25,700
government if I can find him and I was

1259
01:03:31,930 --> 01:03:27,110
pretty sure I knew his brother I knew

1260
01:03:33,070 --> 01:03:31,940
his whole family so I couldn't get him I

1261
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:33,080
called him on his phone it was

1262
01:03:35,530 --> 01:03:35,210
disconnected I thought huh I'm getting

1263
01:03:39,070 --> 01:03:35,540
there

1264
01:03:42,790 --> 01:03:39,080
right and I called his brother his

1265
01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:42,800
brother said but he's been dead for six

1266
01:03:46,690 --> 01:03:44,480
months he's been he was dead since March

1267
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:46,700
last March and longer than six months

1268
01:03:51,940 --> 01:03:51,410
sensor I saw he's dead said yeah he's

1269
01:03:54,700 --> 01:03:51,950
dead

1270
01:03:57,100 --> 01:03:54,710
and I thought of course it's a it's a

1271
01:04:00,490 --> 01:03:57,110
subterfuge it's a lie he's gone deep and

1272
01:04:02,410 --> 01:04:00,500
dark but I never could go any farther I

1273
01:04:03,730 --> 01:04:02,420
could not find him at all he had a death

1274
01:04:05,740 --> 01:04:03,740
certificate everything looked completely

1275
01:04:08,700 --> 01:04:05,750
normal as it would even if he wasn't

1276
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:08,710
dead if professionals were working on it

1277
01:04:18,220 --> 01:04:14,000
so I had to leave it go but then I began

1278
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:18,230
to realize I I read a book by Jenny

1279
01:04:21,850 --> 01:04:19,610
Randall's that seemed to have a

1280
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:21,860
description of an a similar experience

1281
01:04:27,690 --> 01:04:25,610
in it someone else had had and a book

1282
01:04:31,330 --> 01:04:27,700
the book came to me in a really odd way

1283
01:04:33,819 --> 01:04:31,340
my brother had been shopping for a

1284
01:04:37,390 --> 01:04:33,829
Christmas present for me

1285
01:04:39,699 --> 01:04:37,400
and had seen the book in a bookstore in

1286
01:04:41,140 --> 01:04:39,709
San Antonio Texas and thought this is

1287
01:04:42,219 --> 01:04:41,150
interesting is interesting to him it

1288
01:04:44,650 --> 01:04:42,229
would have been interesting to me but

1289
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:44,660
we're never good Burnett we never and

1290
01:04:48,729 --> 01:04:45,920
good at giving each other Christmas

1291
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:48,739
presents he gave me a tarantula one year

1292
01:04:57,930 --> 01:04:51,170
give you an idea how effective yeah

1293
01:05:00,370 --> 01:04:57,940
present the person he is anyway he he

1294
01:05:03,339 --> 01:05:00,380
found the book he took it up to buy it

1295
01:05:05,559 --> 01:05:03,349
and it wasn't from the bookstore wasn't

1296
01:05:08,769 --> 01:05:05,569
even from the United States it was an

1297
01:05:11,650 --> 01:05:08,779
English book and they finally sold it to

1298
01:05:13,029 --> 01:05:11,660
him for five bucks just because they

1299
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:13,039
didn't have any it wasn't in their

1300
01:05:17,859 --> 01:05:15,920
inventory and he sent it to me so it had

1301
01:05:21,009 --> 01:05:17,869
kind of been put there almost like it

1302
01:05:24,579 --> 01:05:21,019
was there for him and it ends up in my

1303
01:05:26,739 --> 01:05:24,589
hands and then I read this and I think

1304
01:05:29,799 --> 01:05:26,749
to myself well it mentions the sky but

1305
01:05:31,779 --> 01:05:29,809
Hopkins and so I called Hopkins up he

1306
01:05:35,079 --> 01:05:31,789
lived down this not far from me in

1307
01:05:36,519 --> 01:05:35,089
Manhattan I met him and he said well I

1308
01:05:38,140 --> 01:05:36,529
want to put you under hypnosis because I

1309
01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:38,150
think you've been abducted by aliens and

1310
01:05:44,099 --> 01:05:41,599
I thought oh boy you have gone to the

1311
01:05:48,489 --> 01:05:44,109
wrong house here right right and I said

1312
01:05:51,370 --> 01:05:48,499
we'll wait on that you know he said well

1313
01:05:54,549 --> 01:05:51,380
wait a minute I know a psychiatrist very

1314
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:54,559
prestigious he I'd asked him if he had a

1315
01:06:01,059 --> 01:05:57,920
license to hypnotize he said no and he

1316
01:06:02,259 --> 01:06:01,069
said very a very prestigious he's the

1317
01:06:06,099 --> 01:06:02,269
head of New York State Department of

1318
01:06:08,739 --> 01:06:06,109
Psychiatry and there's no internet then

1319
01:06:12,180 --> 01:06:08,749
so I couldn't really look him up and but

1320
01:06:14,709 --> 01:06:12,190
I did find out that he was the real deal

1321
01:06:17,199 --> 01:06:14,719
and I met him he was a very professional

1322
01:06:22,059 --> 01:06:17,209
guy obviously been in the field for

1323
01:06:26,019 --> 01:06:22,069
years a very skilled man he had solved

1324
01:06:28,809 --> 01:06:26,029
over at that point in his life over 70

1325
01:06:31,089 --> 01:06:28,819
cases using forensic hypnosis so don't

1326
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:31,099
ever let anyone tell you hypnosis

1327
01:06:36,189 --> 01:06:33,890
doesn't doesn't work in the right hands

1328
01:06:40,749 --> 01:06:36,199
the with the right kind of pro it sure

1329
01:06:44,170 --> 01:06:40,759
does work absolutely so he put me under

1330
01:06:46,660 --> 01:06:44,180
hypnosis and I am Telling You I

1331
01:06:47,779 --> 01:06:46,670
understood then why I had been so scared

1332
01:06:50,659 --> 01:06:47,789
the previous

1333
01:06:52,999 --> 01:06:50,669
months because these things have been

1334
01:06:56,569 --> 01:06:53,009
coming in the house and I was seeing

1335
01:06:58,519 --> 01:06:56,579
them but not remembering it but under

1336
01:07:00,620 --> 01:06:58,529
hypnosis I did remember and if you I

1337
01:07:02,899 --> 01:07:00,630
think it's somewhere on my website

1338
01:07:05,329 --> 01:07:02,909
probably in the subscriber area of

1339
01:07:08,599 --> 01:07:05,339
unknown country you can listen to these

1340
01:07:10,489 --> 01:07:08,609
original sessions and the first session

1341
01:07:13,249 --> 01:07:10,499
is just mostly a guy streaming which was

1342
01:07:19,479 --> 01:07:13,259
me because I was seeing this thing this

1343
01:07:24,259 --> 01:07:19,489
dark blue weird thing in my bedroom and

1344
01:07:27,259 --> 01:07:24,269
I was having absolute hysterics under

1345
01:07:32,299 --> 01:07:27,269
hypnosis then we get to the next

1346
01:07:36,620 --> 01:07:32,309
experience and it all comes like a movie

1347
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:36,630
it's so clear every bit of it and I

1348
01:07:42,979 --> 01:07:40,079
thought to myself well something has

1349
01:07:45,199 --> 01:07:42,989
happened here I told my wife the whole

1350
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:45,209
story and and says well why don't you

1351
01:07:50,149 --> 01:07:47,039
write it down write it all down just the

1352
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:50,159
way it is so I started writing and it

1353
01:07:57,709 --> 01:07:54,569
turned into book communion and we

1354
01:08:01,069 --> 01:07:57,719
published it we thought it would you

1355
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:01,079
know make some minor waves we didn't

1356
01:08:05,449 --> 01:08:02,880
realize what would actually happen right

1357
01:08:07,549 --> 01:08:05,459
little and make you know just just

1358
01:08:10,370 --> 01:08:07,559
another you're an author that's what you

1359
01:08:13,370 --> 01:08:10,380
do my waves were big right and they were

1360
01:08:15,679 --> 01:08:13,380
so big in fact that letters by the tens

1361
01:08:17,209 --> 01:08:15,689
and hundreds of thousands began pouring

1362
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:17,219
into the house and they poured in for

1363
01:08:24,019 --> 01:08:21,359
ten years those letters which are one of

1364
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:24,029
the great collections of human

1365
01:08:30,079 --> 01:08:26,130
experience ever assembled in the world

1366
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:30,089
were all assembled by my wife most of

1367
01:08:35,629 --> 01:08:31,920
them were many of them were cataloged

1368
01:08:38,769 --> 01:08:35,639
until she had 30,000 approximately

1369
01:08:42,769 --> 01:08:38,779
30,000 that were full and complete

1370
01:08:46,189 --> 01:08:42,779
descriptions of experiences one day she

1371
01:08:48,919 --> 01:08:46,199
walks out of her office and she says to

1372
01:08:51,859 --> 01:08:48,929
me Whitney this has something to do with

1373
01:08:53,509 --> 01:08:51,869
what we call death I said what are you

1374
01:08:56,059 --> 01:08:53,519
talking about because I was totally

1375
01:08:58,640 --> 01:08:56,069
bought into the alien hypothesis then we

1376
01:09:01,640 --> 01:08:58,650
all were yeah right and so she says

1377
01:09:04,220 --> 01:09:01,650
fully half of these people described

1378
01:09:08,450 --> 01:09:04,230
dead friends and relatives showing up

1379
01:09:14,030 --> 01:09:08,460
along with it so these aliens and I

1380
01:09:18,649 --> 01:09:14,040
thought my god the guy was dead that

1381
01:09:23,809 --> 01:09:18,659
night he was a dead man and he appeared

1382
01:09:26,450 --> 01:09:23,819
to be completely alive I said no more

1383
01:09:30,380 --> 01:09:26,460
about it but then she says a few weeks

1384
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:30,390
later she was like just really in

1385
01:09:36,530 --> 01:09:34,650
control I mean she really she never when

1386
01:09:39,709 --> 01:09:36,540
I told her this happened to me she never

1387
01:09:41,660 --> 01:09:39,719
missed a beat she had this let's get to

1388
01:09:44,930 --> 01:09:41,670
it we've got work to do now attitude

1389
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:44,940
like she was ready to go she was

1390
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:46,770
cataloging these letters she was

1391
01:09:51,499 --> 01:09:49,170
inundated I mean there's like heaps of

1392
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:51,509
them in the living room and she says to

1393
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:53,489
me one day I need a secretary I thought

1394
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:56,610
to myself one she needs ten and shea

1395
01:10:02,000 --> 01:09:58,320
butter bleh Anne worked one would be

1396
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:02,010
fine I mean and she says I need a

1397
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:03,690
secretary and I said well we'll call

1398
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:06,330
manpower and she says now I'll find one

1399
01:10:09,950 --> 01:10:08,640
here a few minutes later she says here's

1400
01:10:11,140 --> 01:10:09,960
our secretary and she hands me one of

1401
01:10:15,950 --> 01:10:11,150
the letters it's from a lady who's

1402
01:10:18,500 --> 01:10:15,960
talking about being a a singer in a and

1403
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:18,510
stuff and then actress I said she's not

1404
01:10:23,060 --> 01:10:20,489
a secretary he said she says oh yes she

1405
01:10:24,830 --> 01:10:23,070
is and the important thing is she lives

1406
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:24,840
right across the street so she calls her

1407
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:27,690
and I hear her say do you have any

1408
01:10:33,020 --> 01:10:30,449
secretarial skills oh good great are you

1409
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:33,030
working great come right over we need to

1410
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:34,110
get started today

1411
01:10:40,729 --> 01:10:37,770
and that was how we met Lori Barnes who

1412
01:10:43,130 --> 01:10:40,739
was an secretary for 15 years yeah your

1413
01:10:46,010 --> 01:10:43,140
photograph collection of those early

1414
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:46,020
days yeah thank goodness you had

1415
01:10:51,260 --> 01:10:48,330
somebody was taking pictures and you

1416
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:51,270
what to do and then she says we're going

1417
01:10:56,300 --> 01:10:53,130
to get people coming up to the cabin

1418
01:10:58,640 --> 01:10:56,310
because these beings are gonna show up

1419
01:11:03,439 --> 01:10:58,650
when people are there and we started

1420
01:11:06,890 --> 01:11:03,449
doing that and this is typical in the

1421
01:11:11,180 --> 01:11:06,900
living room lying asleep a magazine

1422
01:11:12,890 --> 01:11:11,190
editor I believe a lady called Raven

1423
01:11:15,529 --> 01:11:12,900
Dana I'm not sure about the names

1424
01:11:18,589 --> 01:11:15,539
anymore I've got that all in my books

1425
01:11:21,140 --> 01:11:18,599
it's so and anyway they're there they're

1426
01:11:22,459 --> 01:11:21,150
about four people in the living room two

1427
01:11:23,810 --> 01:11:22,469
people downstairs in the basement

1428
01:11:24,350 --> 01:11:23,820
sleeping privately because they're a

1429
01:11:27,890 --> 01:11:24,360
couple

1430
01:11:29,060 --> 01:11:27,900
when these dark blue figures show up in

1431
01:11:32,450 --> 01:11:29,070
the living room in the dead of the night

1432
01:11:37,279 --> 01:11:32,460
and start jumping around like acrobats

1433
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:37,289
and the people in the living room can

1434
01:11:42,049 --> 01:11:40,050
talk but they cannot move a muscle

1435
01:11:44,060 --> 01:11:42,059
they're frozen so they're like dis

1436
01:11:46,939 --> 01:11:44,070
talking to each other do you see what I

1437
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:46,949
see etcetera and so forth meanwhile in

1438
01:11:52,399 --> 01:11:49,920
the basement the two people wake up in

1439
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:52,409
the bed and they see standing at the

1440
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:55,199
foot of the bread bed a friend of theirs

1441
01:11:59,060 --> 01:11:57,570
who had died in the 1985 Mexico City

1442
01:12:01,759 --> 01:11:59,070
earthquake standing there big is life

1443
01:12:05,330 --> 01:12:01,769
and she says I'm okay I just wanted to

1444
01:12:07,069 --> 01:12:05,340
tell you the dead had showed up with the

1445
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:07,079
visitors this happened that happen to

1446
01:12:13,970 --> 01:12:11,760
happen it changed my complete total life

1447
01:12:16,430 --> 01:12:13,980
and way of thinking about everything

1448
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:16,440
from knowing pretty well what the hell's

1449
01:12:21,109 --> 01:12:19,050
going on in this world - no I'm pretty

1450
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:21,119
hell and I don't know pretty well and I

1451
01:12:24,589 --> 01:12:23,130
don't know one damn thing about what's

1452
01:12:26,689 --> 01:12:24,599
going on in this world that's right

1453
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:26,699
that's right and and I've always wanted

1454
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:30,960
to ask you as you started to make this

1455
01:12:40,100 --> 01:12:35,760
transition from an ET type of hypothesis

1456
01:12:43,129 --> 01:12:40,110
right to the other side to something

1457
01:12:44,500 --> 01:12:43,139
that is a little more earthbound I

1458
01:12:48,169 --> 01:12:44,510
should say even though it's it's

1459
01:12:50,419 --> 01:12:48,179
supernatural right there is no

1460
01:12:52,189 --> 01:12:50,429
supernatural I mean there's nature that

1461
01:12:54,890 --> 01:12:52,199
we understand a nature that we don't

1462
01:12:57,589 --> 01:12:54,900
understand right and I guess look quite

1463
01:13:00,140 --> 01:12:57,599
yeah the question is how long did it

1464
01:13:02,509 --> 01:13:00,150
take you for that transition because

1465
01:13:05,509 --> 01:13:02,519
when I started to hear you speak about

1466
01:13:07,220 --> 01:13:05,519
it and write about it over the years I

1467
01:13:08,959 --> 01:13:07,230
went through that transition with you

1468
01:13:11,450 --> 01:13:08,969
but that that was the written version

1469
01:13:13,459 --> 01:13:11,460
are you talking about it but let's back

1470
01:13:17,209 --> 01:13:13,469
up how long did it take you to start to

1471
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:17,219
realize what was really going on

1472
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:21,330
well I don't think to this day I have

1473
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:23,610
realized what is really going on and I

1474
01:13:30,050 --> 01:13:26,090
wouldn't discount the alien hypothesis

1475
01:13:32,209 --> 01:13:30,060
but there's something else involved it's

1476
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:32,219
not that simple it's not that some

1477
01:13:35,090 --> 01:13:33,330
people got in flying saucers

1478
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:35,100
funny-looking people got in flying

1479
01:13:40,820 --> 01:13:37,650
saucers on Zeta Reticuli right and came

1480
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:40,830
here right whoever they were if that's

1481
01:13:43,850 --> 01:13:42,449
where they came from they have a very

1482
01:13:48,020 --> 01:13:43,860
different way of living than we do

1483
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:48,030
believe you me and there are completely

1484
01:13:55,660 --> 01:13:50,489
different species of being they're not

1485
01:14:01,700 --> 01:13:55,670
just weird-looking they are weird weird

1486
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:01,710
but I also think that they've been here

1487
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:06,210
a very long time one of the best

1488
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:09,690
researchers in this field jogo valet has

1489
01:14:17,900 --> 01:14:12,960
combed the historical record and written

1490
01:14:21,380 --> 01:14:17,910
a couple of books about detailing cases

1491
01:14:24,500 --> 01:14:21,390
from the past and this dovetails into

1492
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:24,510
the old fairy lore of Northern Europe

1493
01:14:31,959 --> 01:14:26,610
and all kinds of different stuff from

1494
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:31,969
all over the world the the whole Kachina

1495
01:14:37,550 --> 01:14:35,010
mythology among the hope is and other

1496
01:14:40,700 --> 01:14:37,560
Native Americans Native American people

1497
01:14:43,310 --> 01:14:40,710
who don't scoff at this and plenty of

1498
01:14:46,430 --> 01:14:43,320
them do but the ones who don't scoff at

1499
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:46,440
it have these star people traditions in

1500
01:14:51,770 --> 01:14:47,850
their tribes which is why they don't

1501
01:14:58,100 --> 01:14:51,780
scoff at it but it's it's something that

1502
01:15:01,600 --> 01:14:58,110
is part of our world a and it's not all

1503
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:01,610
pretty by any means either no no in fact

1504
01:15:09,140 --> 01:15:05,370
it's anything but for the most part the

1505
01:15:11,209 --> 01:15:09,150
first time I heard you start to put

1506
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:11,219
together the blue beings and and

1507
01:15:15,260 --> 01:15:13,890
speaking about them I'm gonna I'm just

1508
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:15,270
gonna be honest with you I had a hard

1509
01:15:20,750 --> 01:15:17,489
time sleeping for a while because it

1510
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:20,760
made sense you know what I mean it was

1511
01:15:26,780 --> 01:15:23,280
like well that explains an awful lot

1512
01:15:30,380 --> 01:15:26,790
here and if it does explain what I think

1513
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:30,390
it's explaining I'm terrified this is

1514
01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:34,560
something that is not in our control no

1515
01:15:41,390 --> 01:15:38,760
it's not in our control exactly but it's

1516
01:15:42,500 --> 01:15:41,400
very much more reflective than people

1517
01:15:45,230 --> 01:15:42,510
realize mhm

1518
01:15:47,150 --> 01:15:45,240
I mean I I've got him in my life right

1519
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:47,160
now I've been dealing with him for

1520
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:53,970
thirty years and I don't have the kind

1521
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:00,480
of kind of relationship I did with him

1522
01:16:07,820 --> 01:16:04,770
at first there you know they were really

1523
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:07,830
really hard to deal with I mean really

1524
01:16:14,390 --> 01:16:10,770
hard to deal with I became obsessed with

1525
01:16:17,210 --> 01:16:14,400
them and when I realized there was event

1526
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:17,220
them there I started going out in the

1527
01:16:21,380 --> 01:16:18,930
woods in the middle of the night and

1528
01:16:24,170 --> 01:16:21,390
walking way out in the woods behind my

1529
01:16:27,140 --> 01:16:24,180
house to this little cave

1530
01:16:29,540 --> 01:16:27,150
that you could only reach going down a

1531
01:16:32,110 --> 01:16:29,550
cliff and it was really hard to reach

1532
01:16:35,150 --> 01:16:32,120
and go in and sitting in that cave

1533
01:16:38,660 --> 01:16:35,160
nobody could hear me nobody could get

1534
01:16:43,790 --> 01:16:38,670
near me I was absolutely alone and I

1535
01:16:49,670 --> 01:16:43,800
would turn out the light scared to death

1536
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:49,680
and just live with it I lived it I lived

1537
01:16:57,740 --> 01:16:53,730
the fear and that's what gradually

1538
01:17:01,370 --> 01:16:57,750
changed the relationship he became a

1539
01:17:05,180 --> 01:17:01,380
school right right they began respecting

1540
01:17:08,570 --> 01:17:05,190
me a little bit I think I started

1541
01:17:11,540 --> 01:17:08,580
teaching me and that's what most of the

1542
01:17:15,380 --> 01:17:11,550
books have been about ever since it is

1543
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:15,390
there also did you have to develop a

1544
01:17:23,660 --> 01:17:21,210
sense of when you were being fed reality

1545
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:23,670
or truth and possibly some of it was

1546
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:27,570
deception and fun and joking tricksters

1547
01:17:35,450 --> 01:17:31,770
if you will yeah well I would not

1548
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:35,460
describe them as having like a light

1549
01:17:41,930 --> 01:17:38,970
sense of humor you're not you're not

1550
01:17:44,330 --> 01:17:41,940
gonna get any Stephen Colbert rush I

1551
01:17:47,090 --> 01:17:44,340
mean I'd live from them

1552
01:17:50,780 --> 01:17:47,100
it's more like you know a sledgehammer

1553
01:17:55,010 --> 01:17:50,790
wit it that way but it is to a degree

1554
01:17:56,930 --> 01:17:55,020
there I can't I can't say it's not there

1555
01:17:59,479 --> 01:17:56,940
like they feel like to me like prison

1556
01:18:01,689 --> 01:17:59,489
guards almost you know they're there

1557
01:18:04,220 --> 01:18:01,699
like they're key they're making sure

1558
01:18:05,780 --> 01:18:04,230
that we don't get too big for our

1559
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:05,790
britches we're supposed to be in this

1560
01:18:10,490 --> 01:18:08,250
state as far as they're concerned living

1561
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:10,500
in the stream of time not knowing the

1562
01:18:15,919 --> 01:18:13,199
future and we're here to learn and we're

1563
01:18:18,140 --> 01:18:15,929
here to build strong Souls and as far as

1564
01:18:20,629 --> 01:18:18,150
they're concerned they're obviously

1565
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:20,639
paying for others or it's a it's a hard

1566
01:18:24,890 --> 01:18:22,320
thing to do and we're gonna do it and do

1567
01:18:27,410 --> 01:18:24,900
it right that's the way I see it how old

1568
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:27,420
do you see the knowledge is it as old as

1569
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:29,570
Earth or is it as old as the universe

1570
01:18:36,140 --> 01:18:32,250
where is it coming from the foundation

1571
01:18:37,970 --> 01:18:36,150
Oh Jimmy that's one of those little

1572
01:18:41,930 --> 01:18:37,980
questions you have a habit of dropping

1573
01:18:45,140 --> 01:18:41,940
in unexpectedly that they're not big I

1574
01:18:48,350 --> 01:18:45,150
mean that would be the biggest question

1575
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:48,360
I've ever been asked and the one I am

1576
01:18:58,010 --> 01:18:51,690
probably least able to answer in a sane

1577
01:19:02,120 --> 01:18:58,020
and comprehensible way they are part of

1578
01:19:04,910 --> 01:19:02,130
the texture of reality of consciousness

1579
01:19:09,470 --> 01:19:04,920
just like we are right and maybe they go

1580
01:19:11,899 --> 01:19:09,480
back a long way right I had said the

1581
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:11,909
other night on the show and and I wanted

1582
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:15,570
the audience to grasp this thought and

1583
01:19:22,189 --> 01:19:18,570
it's a difficult thought Whitley our

1584
01:19:24,979 --> 01:19:22,199
universe whatever 12 14 15 billion years

1585
01:19:27,649 --> 01:19:24,989
old what you know I put the big whatever

1586
01:19:32,689 --> 01:19:27,659
on that because the universal

1587
01:19:38,540 --> 01:19:32,699
intelligence behind that creation is its

1588
01:19:41,810 --> 01:19:38,550
age is forever forever right think about

1589
01:19:43,729 --> 01:19:41,820
that for a sec forever before yeah

1590
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:43,739
before our universe there was another

1591
01:19:49,879 --> 01:19:46,320
one and we are talking about infinite in

1592
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:49,889
all directions up down in the future in

1593
01:19:56,069 --> 01:19:53,610
the past it is forever and it's a

1594
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:56,079
difficult thing to think about

1595
01:20:00,629 --> 01:19:57,760
and when we are talking about some of

1596
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:00,639
the phenomena on this planet that we

1597
01:20:05,069 --> 01:20:03,130
don't understand this is a universal

1598
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:05,079
intelligence that is connected just like

1599
01:20:09,979 --> 01:20:05,770
we are

1600
01:20:12,209 --> 01:20:09,989
that goes back possibly forever

1601
01:20:15,870 --> 01:20:12,219
therefore the intelligence that is

1602
01:20:17,370 --> 01:20:15,880
accumulated over forever is something

1603
01:20:22,379 --> 01:20:17,380
that we just can't wrap our mind around

1604
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:22,389
can we you know what I would say to that

1605
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:26,650
I think it would be awful

1606
01:20:33,750 --> 01:20:30,130
right to be trapped in the forever right

1607
01:20:37,069 --> 01:20:33,760
and that's that's that's that's the it

1608
01:20:41,399 --> 01:20:37,079
what is how far back is forever well

1609
01:20:43,770 --> 01:20:41,409
right and quite possibly that is what we

1610
01:20:46,109 --> 01:20:43,780
are dealing with and it's hard it's

1611
01:20:50,490 --> 01:20:46,119
really hard to get to try to grasp that

1612
01:20:52,740 --> 01:20:50,500
concept but Universal intelligence some

1613
01:20:56,939 --> 01:20:52,750
something that we don't understand is

1614
01:20:59,430 --> 01:20:56,949
has been getting smarter forever right

1615
01:21:02,640 --> 01:20:59,440
the key more ever yes the accumulated

1616
01:21:05,549 --> 01:21:02,650
and you know we're not dumb either that

1617
01:21:09,359 --> 01:21:05,559
it's a great mistake to think that they

1618
01:21:11,370 --> 01:21:09,369
are kind of smarter than we are

1619
01:21:13,890 --> 01:21:11,380
I think there are a lot more experienced

1620
01:21:15,810 --> 01:21:13,900
and my impression is that some of the

1621
01:21:18,060 --> 01:21:15,820
marked fully biological some of them

1622
01:21:20,220 --> 01:21:18,070
have are like we probably will be in

1623
01:21:24,359 --> 01:21:20,230
about three years I feel on musk gets

1624
01:21:26,430 --> 01:21:24,369
his gets the computer into the brain he

1625
01:21:27,569 --> 01:21:26,440
on the one hand he's talking about talks

1626
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:27,579
about the danger of artificial

1627
01:21:31,589 --> 01:21:29,440
intelligence on the other hand he and so

1628
01:21:36,589 --> 01:21:31,599
many other companies are working full

1629
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:36,599
bore to get data processing and and and

1630
01:21:43,890 --> 01:21:39,250
interaction into directly into the brain

1631
01:21:48,899 --> 01:21:43,900
and some of them well like I'll tell you

1632
01:21:50,189 --> 01:21:48,909
one time I went to I I had been going

1633
01:21:52,910 --> 01:21:50,199
down in these woods

1634
01:21:55,740 --> 01:21:52,920
and I had been communicating with them

1635
01:21:57,359 --> 01:21:55,750
not in a way that you would think was

1636
01:22:00,330 --> 01:21:57,369
communication it felt like I was just

1637
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:00,340
sort of imagining and ever thinking but

1638
01:22:04,859 --> 01:22:02,250
then all of a sudden one morning

1639
01:22:08,189 --> 01:22:04,869
something started to happen that I had

1640
01:22:09,870 --> 01:22:08,199
agreed to do in this way there was this

1641
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:09,880
sound like a

1642
01:22:15,899 --> 01:22:14,050
chauffeur uh deep trumpet noise sounded

1643
01:22:18,030 --> 01:22:15,909
out over the woods early one February

1644
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:18,040
morning just as the dawn just before

1645
01:22:25,649 --> 01:22:21,370
dawn and I thought my goodness it's them

1646
01:22:28,050 --> 01:22:25,659
I jumped out of bed put on my robe put

1647
01:22:30,899 --> 01:22:28,060
on my slippers I had nice thick slippers

1648
01:22:34,740 --> 01:22:30,909
fortunately and I went out there I'm

1649
01:22:37,740 --> 01:22:34,750
wina down my deck crossed my backyard in

1650
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:37,750
the snow up the little little hill and

1651
01:22:42,090 --> 01:22:39,610
then there was a naked woods there

1652
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:42,100
beyond the woods was the clearing where

1653
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:45,489
I had first met them first been taken up

1654
01:22:53,370 --> 01:22:50,770
and I could see a big shadowy thing in

1655
01:22:55,860 --> 01:22:53,380
that clearing and some figures and I

1656
01:22:58,379 --> 01:22:55,870
could hear kind of clanking noise which

1657
01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:58,389
is the sound these their machines make

1658
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:00,400
when they're just sort of idling it like

1659
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:02,050
it sounds like ball bearings kind of

1660
01:23:11,970 --> 01:23:08,290
clattering and I stopped because I

1661
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:11,980
thought if I go down there and I never

1662
01:23:18,090 --> 01:23:14,770
come back then she's gotta wait seven

1663
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:18,100
years for the insurance money and she's

1664
01:23:22,860 --> 01:23:20,770
not she's not good I can't I can't take

1665
01:23:25,950 --> 01:23:22,870
that risk with my wife and my baby

1666
01:23:28,020 --> 01:23:25,960
asleep in the house behind me and anyway

1667
01:23:29,669 --> 01:23:28,030
what if they're planning to outflank me

1668
01:23:33,330 --> 01:23:29,679
or something and get in there with them

1669
01:23:35,220 --> 01:23:33,340
so I decided I would not go down there I

1670
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:35,230
know and then I heard this voice say

1671
01:23:46,140 --> 01:23:40,210
come on come on and it was just that it

1672
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:46,150
was the voice of really tough rough kind

1673
01:23:54,629 --> 01:23:52,570
of a soldier it was a scary voice but

1674
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:54,639
not they weren't gonna capture me that I

1675
01:24:01,080 --> 01:23:57,610
had to go to them obviously so I turn

1676
01:24:04,860 --> 01:24:01,090
around I go back to the house and as I

1677
01:24:08,750 --> 01:24:04,870
put my hand on the doorknob I hear three

1678
01:24:11,060 --> 01:24:08,760
cries from above those woods

1679
01:24:16,890 --> 01:24:11,070
oh-oh-oh

1680
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:16,900
cries of disappointment but they were so

1681
01:24:23,069 --> 01:24:20,290
perfectly spaced you cannot imagine how

1682
01:24:25,689 --> 01:24:23,079
they sounded they

1683
01:24:28,899 --> 01:24:25,699
emotionally incredibly rich the most

1684
01:24:32,020 --> 01:24:28,909
emotional sounds I'd ever heard and the

1685
01:24:34,180 --> 01:24:32,030
most perfect most machine-like sounds

1686
01:24:34,930 --> 01:24:34,190
I'd ever heard so you get that all mixed

1687
01:24:37,450 --> 01:24:34,940
up

1688
01:24:40,890 --> 01:24:37,460
you've got biology and machine right

1689
01:24:45,370 --> 01:24:40,900
here right right that was what that was

1690
01:24:48,219 --> 01:24:45,380
it was so intense that experience that I

1691
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:48,229
could not even listen to music for about

1692
01:24:52,750 --> 01:24:50,210
a year after that and enjoy it because

1693
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:52,760
it all sounded muddy well just because

1694
01:24:57,759 --> 01:24:55,130
that sound was so perfect gasps was it

1695
01:25:00,609 --> 01:24:57,769
done just for you you know what I mean

1696
01:25:03,370 --> 01:25:00,619
in its perfection knowing that I don't

1697
01:25:05,709 --> 01:25:03,380
know I know I can tell you what I heard

1698
01:25:07,719 --> 01:25:05,719
I can't tell you any wise right but I

1699
01:25:09,879 --> 01:25:07,729
can't tell you what happened next well

1700
01:25:12,729 --> 01:25:09,889
go into the house I'd go back up into

1701
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:12,739
the bedroom and there is something in

1702
01:25:19,989 --> 01:25:16,130
there with me that I cannot see but I

1703
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:19,999
knew was there the next thing I know I'm

1704
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:22,489
sitting on the side of the bed I'm

1705
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:27,280
suddenly walking like almost gliding

1706
01:25:35,229 --> 01:25:32,210
among these tall sort of stick thin

1707
01:25:40,569 --> 01:25:35,239
pillars thinking what the hell just

1708
01:25:44,319 --> 01:25:40,579
happened to me and then I saw up I was

1709
01:25:49,029 --> 01:25:44,329
looking up at my mother's desk I was in

1710
01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:49,039
her bedroom in about 19 46 or 47 just

1711
01:25:58,660 --> 01:25:51,920
when I was starting to walk they had

1712
01:26:03,339 --> 01:25:58,670
sent me back in time to the first moment

1713
01:26:07,330 --> 01:26:03,349
I ever walked on two feet as if to say

1714
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:07,340
this is your baby step you have started

1715
01:26:14,770 --> 01:26:11,840
to walk and in that moment my life with

1716
01:26:18,580 --> 01:26:14,780
them as teachers in a school began I

1717
01:26:22,270 --> 01:26:18,590
stopped being a lab animal and started

1718
01:26:26,129 --> 01:26:22,280
to be a student and what did you we've

1719
01:26:29,229 --> 01:26:26,139
got 60 seconds was it because you

1720
01:26:32,500 --> 01:26:29,239
understood and they knew that or is it

1721
01:26:34,370 --> 01:26:32,510
because you relented you tapped out

1722
01:26:38,270 --> 01:26:34,380
because I kept going

1723
01:26:40,100 --> 01:26:38,280
right right I mean I was crazed with

1724
01:26:41,899 --> 01:26:40,110
terror but I still kept putting one foot

1725
01:26:44,660 --> 01:26:41,909
in front of the other I would not stop

1726
01:26:47,390 --> 01:26:44,670
right right I mean I'm a limit I could

1727
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:47,400
not go down in those woods with them but

1728
01:26:52,850 --> 01:26:51,330
you know I took myself every time as far

1729
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:52,860
as I possibly could

1730
01:26:58,459 --> 01:26:55,770
and that's why they eventually started

1731
01:27:01,939 --> 01:26:58,469
to treat me the way they do

1732
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:01,949
I mean I'm loads miles beyond that now

1733
01:27:06,890 --> 01:27:04,770
with them let's let's take a break right

1734
01:27:11,570 --> 01:27:06,900
here Whitley when we come back I want to

1735
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:11,580
start understanding how you did continue

1736
01:27:16,700 --> 01:27:13,920
to connect the dots and of course

1737
01:27:18,379 --> 01:27:16,710
eventually write the supernatural our

1738
01:27:20,419 --> 01:27:18,389
guest tonight Whitley Strieber Army Rose

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01:27:22,729 --> 01:27:20,429
Timmy church this is fade to black

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stay right there more with Whitley right

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01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:36,040
[Music]

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01:31:02,649 --> 01:30:59,780
hi I'm Lisa Vance you're listening to

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01:31:05,470 --> 01:31:02,659
Jimmy Church this is revolution the

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revolution will not be televised the

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[Music]

1814
01:31:54,890 --> 01:31:53,390
all right welcome back to fade to black

1815
01:32:01,640 --> 01:31:54,900
our guest tonight Whitley Strieber

1816
01:32:04,939 --> 01:32:01,650
and what we are doing is trying to tell

1817
01:32:08,780 --> 01:32:04,949
the story about how the chain of events

1818
01:32:11,810 --> 01:32:08,790
led to the writing of the supernatural

1819
01:32:14,390 --> 01:32:11,820
and Whitley I have to actually say this

1820
01:32:16,060 --> 01:32:14,400
and it's it's pretty strong but there

1821
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:16,070
are lots of books out there that

1822
01:32:21,380 --> 01:32:19,410
document people's experiences whatever

1823
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:21,390
they are whether it's et or ghosts or

1824
01:32:27,530 --> 01:32:24,570
near-death or or fairies or parallel

1825
01:32:29,390 --> 01:32:27,540
worlds interdimensional okay we have

1826
01:32:32,090 --> 01:32:29,400
lots of experiences like that they're

1827
01:32:35,419 --> 01:32:32,100
all documented but nobody has been able

1828
01:32:38,570 --> 01:32:35,429
to try to explain what is going on and

1829
01:32:40,970 --> 01:32:38,580
help us understand what is going on you

1830
01:32:44,510 --> 01:32:40,980
chose to take that path with the

1831
01:32:46,810 --> 01:32:44,520
supernatural but yeah yeah but to do

1832
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:46,820
that you've had to have had your own

1833
01:32:53,300 --> 01:32:50,850
experiences and explanations to help to

1834
01:32:59,419 --> 01:32:53,310
explain it that way so well what

1835
01:33:01,280 --> 01:32:59,429
happened for you to decide to take that

1836
01:33:06,250 --> 01:33:01,290
path because that's the one that

1837
01:33:08,870 --> 01:33:06,260
nobody's done of what happened to me was

1838
01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:08,880
way back when when I had eliminated

1839
01:33:17,959 --> 01:33:13,199
every other possibility I was left with

1840
01:33:20,810 --> 01:33:17,969
only one and that was that these were

1841
01:33:23,570 --> 01:33:20,820
intelligent beings of some kind that

1842
01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:23,580
were marching to a completely different

1843
01:33:35,209 --> 01:33:29,520
tune than I was they weren't supposed to

1844
01:33:37,070 --> 01:33:35,219
even exist right let alone be hanging

1845
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:37,080
out in my woods and coming in and taking

1846
01:33:44,180 --> 01:33:38,489
me out of my house in the middle of the

1847
01:33:47,780 --> 01:33:44,190
night and I wanted to understand and not

1848
01:33:52,220 --> 01:33:47,790
only that it didn't it didn't take me

1849
01:33:54,020 --> 01:33:52,230
very long I had been in working in

1850
01:33:58,550 --> 01:33:54,030
something called the grid G Foundation

1851
01:34:01,340 --> 01:33:58,560
at that point for 15 years and I knew a

1852
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:01,350
lot about ancient initiatory pract

1853
01:34:06,870 --> 01:34:04,449
spiritual initiative pact practices

1854
01:34:09,449 --> 01:34:06,880
and these were not fun I mean these were

1855
01:34:12,959 --> 01:34:09,459
serious people died during these

1856
01:34:14,989 --> 01:34:12,969
initiations all the time in the old days

1857
01:34:21,419 --> 01:34:14,999
because it was about tempting death

1858
01:34:24,330 --> 01:34:21,429
mm-hmm really seriously and I thought to

1859
01:34:28,699 --> 01:34:24,340
myself there's one there's another way

1860
01:34:32,270 --> 01:34:28,709
of looking at this it is that it is

1861
01:34:39,290 --> 01:34:32,280
initiatory because it completely

1862
01:34:42,989 --> 01:34:39,300
stripped away everything that I was

1863
01:34:45,180 --> 01:34:42,999
before it happened and I guess that's

1864
01:34:48,870 --> 01:34:45,190
part of what got me going into the woods

1865
01:34:51,089 --> 01:34:48,880
and part of it is like you know if you

1866
01:34:54,419 --> 01:34:51,099
put a snake in a mouse in the terrarium

1867
01:34:58,649 --> 01:34:54,429
with a little mouse the mouse is gonna

1868
01:35:01,699 --> 01:34:58,659
get very very still he's gonna try to

1869
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:01,709
get so still the snake can't notice him

1870
01:35:11,129 --> 01:35:06,130
but he is going to be real interested in

1871
01:35:14,370 --> 01:35:11,139
that snake and I was real interested in

1872
01:35:19,109 --> 01:35:14,380
this snake probably for some it's at

1873
01:35:22,500 --> 01:35:19,119
some level for the same reason and and

1874
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:22,510
also had a wife behind me who was going

1875
01:35:26,339 --> 01:35:24,010
for it I mean she was absolutely

1876
01:35:27,989 --> 01:35:26,349
fascinated I said to her you know you're

1877
01:35:30,689 --> 01:35:27,999
not the one going out in the woods at

1878
01:35:36,419 --> 01:35:30,699
night and she said no I'm not and and

1879
01:35:38,939 --> 01:35:36,429
she meant she would not and you know she

1880
01:35:41,100 --> 01:35:38,949
was she was she was really fat

1881
01:35:43,169 --> 01:35:41,110
interested and she read the book she

1882
01:35:45,359 --> 01:35:43,179
changed the title of the book from body

1883
01:35:47,100 --> 01:35:45,369
terror to communion and I said why

1884
01:35:48,750 --> 01:35:47,110
should it be communion and she said

1885
01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:48,760
because this is really what it's about

1886
01:35:54,540 --> 01:35:52,239
right it's about a communion and this is

1887
01:35:56,250 --> 01:35:54,550
what you're doing what you're doing when

1888
01:35:59,160 --> 01:35:56,260
you're going out there is trying to

1889
01:36:03,569 --> 01:35:59,170
commune with these this whatever they

1890
01:36:07,109 --> 01:36:03,579
are and you know I really respected her

1891
01:36:10,410 --> 01:36:07,119
abilities and her intelligence and I I

1892
01:36:12,330 --> 01:36:10,420
kind of let her guide me you know in

1893
01:36:14,759 --> 01:36:12,340
this and you know I've never been sorry

1894
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:14,769
about that she always did what I would

1895
01:36:18,210 --> 01:36:17,050
any thought I should do was usually

1896
01:36:22,140 --> 01:36:18,220
right

1897
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:22,150
a single mistake she never stepped made

1898
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:24,250
a single misstep in all the years she

1899
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:29,170
worked on this with me so yeah yeah and

1900
01:36:38,820 --> 01:36:35,890
the if one domino falls right one thing

1901
01:36:41,670 --> 01:36:38,830
that shows the world okay this is this

1902
01:36:43,410 --> 01:36:41,680
is what's going that then all of the

1903
01:36:44,940 --> 01:36:43,420
possibilities and all of the questions

1904
01:36:47,730 --> 01:36:44,950
that are out there they're all going to

1905
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:47,740
be interconnected and everything will be

1906
01:36:53,550 --> 01:36:50,290
revealed to everybody but we need that

1907
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:53,560
one domino to fall and certainly the

1908
01:36:59,400 --> 01:36:56,650
supernatural the book has the ability to

1909
01:37:03,090 --> 01:36:59,410
like push that first domino over right

1910
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:03,100
oh yeah because the other thing about

1911
01:37:08,970 --> 01:37:05,530
the supernatural is it's not just me

1912
01:37:12,090 --> 01:37:08,980
first of all I've had so much happen to

1913
01:37:13,950 --> 01:37:12,100
me since those days and there were so

1914
01:37:16,380 --> 01:37:13,960
much I would not say in those days that

1915
01:37:18,780 --> 01:37:16,390
most of what I do say in the book is new

1916
01:37:22,980 --> 01:37:18,790
that people never heard before these

1917
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:22,990
stories most of them and there's also

1918
01:37:28,130 --> 01:37:25,570
another factor and that is that this

1919
01:37:31,850 --> 01:37:28,140
professor from Rice University who was a

1920
01:37:35,220 --> 01:37:31,860
expert in modern myth jeffrey [\h__\h]

1921
01:37:39,930 --> 01:37:35,230
became interested in me and we became

1922
01:37:42,990 --> 01:37:39,940
friends and close friends and he decided

1923
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:43,000
that he should that we would write the

1924
01:37:47,130 --> 01:37:45,130
book together i would write an

1925
01:37:49,700 --> 01:37:47,140
experience and he would play off of it

1926
01:37:52,770 --> 01:37:49,710
from an academic standpoint not

1927
01:37:54,810 --> 01:37:52,780
scientific because you know we we

1928
01:37:56,820 --> 01:37:54,820
science is our god and we're constantly

1929
01:37:59,310 --> 01:37:56,830
looking at the science for the answers

1930
01:38:01,290 --> 01:37:59,320
but science can't answer these questions

1931
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:01,300
because it hasn't got any there's no

1932
01:38:06,990 --> 01:38:03,850
there there for science but a guy like

1933
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:07,000
him an expert in mythology who knows all

1934
01:38:13,370 --> 01:38:09,010
of that backstory that jacques ballet

1935
01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:13,380
thinks is so important he's got a whole

1936
01:38:18,150 --> 01:38:16,000
incredible perspective on this that's

1937
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:18,160
just never been brought forward before

1938
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:21,250
and that's that's why people are that's

1939
01:38:28,710 --> 01:38:25,330
why that's why the this display between

1940
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:28,720
him and me is why it's got like 75 or

1941
01:38:35,700 --> 01:38:32,050
something five-star reviews on Amazon

1942
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:35,710
and Wyatt you know has done so well and

1943
01:38:40,830 --> 01:38:39,010
it's I might say that's the paperback

1944
01:38:46,500 --> 01:38:40,840
it's out in paperback it's just

1945
01:38:52,370 --> 01:38:46,510
beautiful - and the the subtitle of it

1946
01:38:57,480 --> 01:38:52,380
now is why the unexplained is real and

1947
01:38:59,810 --> 01:38:57,490
it is real and you know the skeptics

1948
01:39:03,150 --> 01:38:59,820
will say well this is just anecdotal

1949
01:39:06,350 --> 01:39:03,160
anecdotal means a single experience that

1950
01:39:08,970 --> 01:39:06,360
can't be studied that's not the truth

1951
01:39:11,850 --> 01:39:08,980
the truth is there's thousands of

1952
01:39:14,850 --> 01:39:11,860
experiences and now all those letters

1953
01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:14,860
that and catalogued and gathered are at

1954
01:39:23,780 --> 01:39:20,170
Rice University Jeffs University in a in

1955
01:39:26,250 --> 01:39:23,790
a the university's collected them and

1956
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:26,260
they're collecting along with the papers

1957
01:39:32,100 --> 01:39:28,090
of Jacques Vallee and a lot of other

1958
01:39:33,930 --> 01:39:32,110
people in this field so it's very study

1959
01:39:36,060 --> 01:39:33,940
about its study about by social

1960
01:39:40,500 --> 01:39:36,070
scientists by all kinds of different

1961
01:39:44,700 --> 01:39:40,510
Sciences it's accessible all it takes is

1962
01:39:48,900 --> 01:39:44,710
courage and I wonder if they have that

1963
01:39:51,330 --> 01:39:48,910
you know all skeptics experience what we

1964
01:39:56,070 --> 01:39:51,340
experience they just don't want to admit

1965
01:39:58,680 --> 01:39:56,080
it because of their skeptic buddies it's

1966
01:40:00,990 --> 01:39:58,690
a little Club I mean they gotta get out

1967
01:40:03,630 --> 01:40:01,000
of a club and there's a real big Club

1968
01:40:05,700 --> 01:40:03,640
out here it's called reality

1969
01:40:13,700 --> 01:40:05,710
and they need to get out of a little

1970
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:13,710
Club of fantasy land where they the

1971
01:40:21,030 --> 01:40:17,050
material reality ends where they think

1972
01:40:23,310 --> 01:40:21,040
it does because it doesn't it's bigger

1973
01:40:25,290 --> 01:40:23,320
than that it goes on and on there's

1974
01:40:27,540 --> 01:40:25,300
levels of reality that we've never

1975
01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:27,550
touched yet that's right there is no

1976
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:29,920
supernatural that is separate from

1977
01:40:36,810 --> 01:40:32,530
reality in any way it's all part of

1978
01:40:40,290 --> 01:40:36,820
reality all of it there is is study

1979
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:40,300
about there exactly and about six months

1980
01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:43,810
ago I started to talk about the reality

1981
01:40:48,300 --> 01:40:45,280
of

1982
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:48,310
Silicon Valley and how those guys up

1983
01:40:53,790 --> 01:40:50,890
there those very rich dudes are talking

1984
01:40:55,590 --> 01:40:53,800
about you know a binary world the

1985
01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:55,600
possibility that we could be living in

1986
01:41:00,120 --> 01:40:57,520
this giant you know artificial reality

1987
01:41:02,010 --> 01:41:00,130
and this is all fake and and the reason

1988
01:41:04,980 --> 01:41:02,020
why they were talking about that and I'm

1989
01:41:07,770 --> 01:41:04,990
sure you know this but their their work

1990
01:41:10,830 --> 01:41:07,780
in quantum computing and the way that

1991
01:41:13,740 --> 01:41:10,840
quantum computing works quite frankly is

1992
01:41:17,790 --> 01:41:13,750
the multi worlds theory and that qubits

1993
01:41:21,420 --> 01:41:17,800
quantum bits are using other quantum

1994
01:41:23,310 --> 01:41:21,430
bits intended in a parallel world in

1995
01:41:25,500 --> 01:41:23,320
infinite right they do the parallel

1996
01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:25,510
worlds go out there and as they turn on

1997
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:27,760
and off so do the other ones going to

1998
01:41:32,490 --> 01:41:29,650
the left and to the right in infinity

1999
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:32,500
and make these computers very very

2000
01:41:35,850 --> 01:41:33,370
powerful

2001
01:41:38,700 --> 01:41:35,860
now they've accepted the fact that this

2002
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:38,710
is what is going on and they are able to

2003
01:41:42,630 --> 01:41:40,690
develop this hardware and this

2004
01:41:45,180 --> 01:41:42,640
technology to move forward and quantum

2005
01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:45,190
computing but if it if what they are

2006
01:41:51,390 --> 01:41:48,400
working on is real and it is then

2007
01:41:54,450 --> 01:41:51,400
they're four parallel worlds do exist

2008
01:41:57,060 --> 01:41:54,460
now that is what is causing out now if

2009
01:42:00,330 --> 01:41:57,070
this continues if science continues in

2010
01:42:02,970 --> 01:42:00,340
this direction Whitley all of this

2011
01:42:05,730 --> 01:42:02,980
reality that we are talking about right

2012
01:42:08,010 --> 01:42:05,740
the different stages of it is real and

2013
01:42:11,850 --> 01:42:08,020
it was real it will shut the skeptics

2014
01:42:15,630 --> 01:42:11,860
down well because they're they're

2015
01:42:17,910 --> 01:42:15,640
hampering progress science is always and

2016
01:42:20,750 --> 01:42:17,920
it's in the nature of sciences nothing

2017
01:42:25,950 --> 01:42:20,760
wrong with this nothing wrong with this

2018
01:42:31,380 --> 01:42:25,960
always has a frontier of the measurable

2019
01:42:33,540 --> 01:42:31,390
and beyond the tendency of the average

2020
01:42:36,330 --> 01:42:33,550
mind in science is to say that there's

2021
01:42:40,470 --> 01:42:36,340
nothing beyond that frontier it takes an

2022
01:42:43,380 --> 01:42:40,480
Albert Einstein or a Galileo somebody

2023
01:42:45,390 --> 01:42:43,390
like that to say wait a minute that's

2024
01:42:48,570 --> 01:42:45,400
just a frontier there's other stuff out

2025
01:42:51,630 --> 01:42:48,580
here let's go take a look and we're at

2026
01:42:54,210 --> 01:42:51,640
another frontier right now and there's

2027
01:42:59,200 --> 01:42:54,220
no Galilei or Einstein who has showed up

2028
01:43:02,710 --> 01:42:59,210
really to to dynamically

2029
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:02,720
redefine the frontier but there are lots

2030
01:43:07,230 --> 01:43:04,610
of people like you just described who

2031
01:43:09,910 --> 01:43:07,240
are going beyond it and I have a

2032
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:09,920
scholarly paper a scientific paper that

2033
01:43:18,700 --> 01:43:14,090
I just got yesterday it was sent to me

2034
01:43:21,730 --> 01:43:18,710
by a prominent astrophysicist who is

2035
01:43:22,570 --> 01:43:21,740
speculating and I hope you're sitting

2036
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:22,580
down folks

2037
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:27,010
this is a serious scientist that stars

2038
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:34,210
may be conscious conscious based on

2039
01:43:42,910 --> 01:43:38,930
certain effects that we see that cannot

2040
01:43:49,090 --> 01:43:42,920
be explained any other way that we know

2041
01:43:55,210 --> 01:43:49,100
of so it could be that we are actually

2042
01:44:00,730 --> 01:43:55,220
looking at a universe that is operating

2043
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:00,740
in a completely different way than we

2044
01:44:07,870 --> 01:44:04,370
have imagined that consciousness isn't

2045
01:44:10,030 --> 01:44:07,880
something that kind of starts vaguely

2046
01:44:12,730 --> 01:44:10,040
down in the plant world and becomes and

2047
01:44:15,490 --> 01:44:12,740
Rises and Rises rise until the human

2048
01:44:17,500 --> 01:44:15,500
which is exquisitely conscious right

2049
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:17,510
there are other kinds of consciousness

2050
01:44:23,890 --> 01:44:20,570
here some of them living differently in

2051
01:44:26,470 --> 01:44:23,900
space and time where they may have ideas

2052
01:44:30,030 --> 01:44:26,480
that you know we might have an idea that

2053
01:44:32,500 --> 01:44:30,040
takes 3 seconds to 10 seconds to form

2054
01:44:34,810 --> 01:44:32,510
they may have an idea that takes a

2055
01:44:38,350 --> 01:44:34,820
million years to form which to them is

2056
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:38,360
like 10 seconds I like that thought yeah

2057
01:44:45,090 --> 01:44:41,930
I mean wow oh I like that thought and

2058
01:44:48,750 --> 01:44:45,100
and if that is indeed the case then

2059
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:48,760
everything is connected period period

2060
01:44:55,300 --> 01:44:51,890
you know and the visitors they blew my

2061
01:44:58,080 --> 01:44:55,310
mind they actually just blew my mind in

2062
01:45:01,240 --> 01:44:58,090
the sense of I started out a a

2063
01:45:06,790 --> 01:45:01,250
tight-assed little skeptical arrogant

2064
01:45:12,410 --> 01:45:06,800
kid and now I'm a little wider ass than

2065
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:15,320
open but you know I still have that

2066
01:45:21,020 --> 01:45:17,610
innate skepticism that will never leave

2067
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:21,030
me Jimmy because I just you know I have

2068
01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:24,330
to have I got to cut the cards at some

2069
01:45:31,610 --> 01:45:28,170
point in everything I just have to that

2070
01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:31,620
paper and you just got that yesterday

2071
01:45:36,590 --> 01:45:34,650
but for you to suggest and you did it

2072
01:45:39,230 --> 01:45:36,600
right at the front of this show tonight

2073
01:45:43,100 --> 01:45:39,240
and I loved it when I discussed the

2074
01:45:45,890 --> 01:45:43,110
title of the supernatural and and your

2075
01:45:48,260 --> 01:45:45,900
reaction was no Jimmy the natural world

2076
01:45:51,220 --> 01:45:48,270
is actually a supernatural world that's

2077
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:51,230
the end of it right well yeah that paper

2078
01:45:56,690 --> 01:45:54,210
vindicates that statement exactly and

2079
01:46:00,080 --> 01:45:56,700
you know we can we can figure we can

2080
01:46:01,850 --> 01:46:00,090
study all of this we're not incapable

2081
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:01,860
and if they're one of the things that

2082
01:46:05,990 --> 01:46:03,810
keeps happening and you see this among a

2083
01:46:08,210 --> 01:46:06,000
lot of people in that who are involved

2084
01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:08,220
in this that the visitors must be much

2085
01:46:11,300 --> 01:46:09,090
smarter than we are

2086
01:46:13,820 --> 01:46:11,310
and I've alluded to this a few minutes

2087
01:46:16,790 --> 01:46:13,830
ago I don't think so I think that we're

2088
01:46:20,180 --> 01:46:16,800
really really smart I think we're we are

2089
01:46:22,340 --> 01:46:20,190
ourselves multi-dimensional beings I'm

2090
01:46:24,830 --> 01:46:22,350
not so sure that all of the so-called

2091
01:46:26,870 --> 01:46:24,840
visitors aren't human that that I mean

2092
01:46:28,460 --> 01:46:26,880
that some of them I wouldn't be too

2093
01:46:31,820 --> 01:46:28,470
surprised if some of them are human

2094
01:46:34,450 --> 01:46:31,830
beings in other forms lots of species on

2095
01:46:39,910 --> 01:46:34,460
planet Earth have more than one form and

2096
01:46:47,290 --> 01:46:43,460
infantile and and young forms than they

2097
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:47,300
do adult forms tadpoles and frogs

2098
01:46:51,050 --> 01:46:49,290
caterpillars and butterflies there's

2099
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:51,060
quite a number of them like that

2100
01:46:56,930 --> 01:46:54,570
what if we're like that too I mean the

2101
01:47:01,120 --> 01:46:56,940
way we devour our planet would mean

2102
01:47:04,070 --> 01:47:01,130
we're probably the caterpillars but

2103
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:04,080
maybe there's another level and I'll

2104
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:05,850
tell you something here's a fascinating

2105
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:07,770
story we got a couple minutes here yeah

2106
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:10,050
I could show doesn't this time sure this

2107
01:47:15,230 --> 01:47:12,410
is one on Laurie Barnes asters Laurie is

2108
01:47:17,990 --> 01:47:15,240
one of the great close encounter

2109
01:47:21,940 --> 01:47:18,000
witnesses because she has such a great

2110
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:21,950
sense of humor she's so brilliant and so

2111
01:47:28,129 --> 01:47:26,010
so way up in the air and

2112
01:47:29,870 --> 01:47:28,139
founded at the same time or her heads

2113
01:47:33,350 --> 01:47:29,880
and the stars and her feet are right

2114
01:47:38,359 --> 01:47:33,360
down there on planet earth so anyway

2115
01:47:40,700 --> 01:47:38,369
this is about 1954 she's her husband is

2116
01:47:45,229 --> 01:47:40,710
they're their performers her husband is

2117
01:47:47,629 --> 01:47:45,239
out on a gig at night in doing a piano

2118
01:47:51,379 --> 01:47:47,639
gig somewhere she's in bed she's

2119
01:47:54,890 --> 01:47:51,389
pregnant and she's lying there in bed

2120
01:47:56,209 --> 01:47:54,900
reading about 11 o'clock when she

2121
01:47:58,129 --> 01:47:56,219
notices out of the corner her eye

2122
01:48:00,229 --> 01:47:58,139
movement beside the bed which concerns

2123
01:48:04,189 --> 01:48:00,239
Ibiza Lee in the environment in Queens

2124
01:48:08,029 --> 01:48:04,199
alone she looks and they're standing

2125
01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:08,039
there is about a 3-foot tall really

2126
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:10,320
horrible looking a little dark blue man

2127
01:48:19,850 --> 01:48:15,090
with a line of him behind him and she's

2128
01:48:22,459 --> 01:48:19,860
terrified beyond words he precedes to

2129
01:48:27,049 --> 01:48:22,469
reach out and touch her arm with his

2130
01:48:30,979 --> 01:48:27,059
gloved dark blue and and say do not be

2131
01:48:33,770 --> 01:48:30,989
afraid we're not here for you we're

2132
01:48:36,589 --> 01:48:33,780
interested in the girl child you're

2133
01:48:41,390 --> 01:48:36,599
carrying now

2134
01:48:44,629 --> 01:48:41,400
you could not come up with a scarier

2135
01:48:47,240 --> 01:48:44,639
thing to say to a pregnant woman under

2136
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:47,250
those circumstances in this universe

2137
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:51,090
never so naturally she was horrified of

2138
01:48:58,549 --> 01:48:54,690
course and he says why do you fear us

2139
01:49:03,529 --> 01:48:58,559
and here it comes here it comes she says

2140
01:49:08,029 --> 01:49:03,539
because you're so ugly he then says to

2141
01:49:15,109 --> 01:49:08,039
her my dear one day you will look just

2142
01:49:21,259 --> 01:49:15,119
like us so and and this was she talking

2143
01:49:23,049 --> 01:49:21,269
to another human form does the

2144
01:49:28,339 --> 01:49:23,059
caterpillar find the butterfly

2145
01:49:30,649 --> 01:49:28,349
terrifying the thing is and when I when

2146
01:49:33,410 --> 01:49:30,659
I first read this and heard this from

2147
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:33,420
you and it's been a long time now I have

2148
01:49:41,060 --> 01:49:37,770
always equated that moment to death

2149
01:49:43,940 --> 01:49:41,070
and that is the suggestion that that is

2150
01:49:47,300 --> 01:49:43,950
what is on the they are you know in a

2151
01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:47,310
form of what is on the other side as

2152
01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:50,730
death and that is how I see some of us

2153
01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:53,730
end up in that form I'll bet I'll bet

2154
01:49:58,910 --> 01:49:56,850
you my bottom dollar right and I guess

2155
01:50:01,070 --> 01:49:58,920
that's where Laurie's headed I know

2156
01:50:03,650 --> 01:50:01,080
right right she's she's you know up

2157
01:50:05,930 --> 01:50:03,660
she's a real she was a real lammer queen

2158
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:05,940
when she was young she's pretty agent

2159
01:50:15,410 --> 01:50:12,890
now but and still a beautiful soul but

2160
01:50:17,060 --> 01:50:15,420
she's gonna have to get some you getting

2161
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:17,070
used to if that's the next form she's

2162
01:50:22,490 --> 01:50:19,850
gonna be in yeah I know I am and for you

2163
01:50:28,370 --> 01:50:22,500
you're going there Jimmy you know I am

2164
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:28,380
and for you is is that a possibility are

2165
01:50:33,230 --> 01:50:29,610
you okay

2166
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:33,240
if that would be what what we eventually

2167
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:36,090
are or possibly one of the things that

2168
01:50:47,030 --> 01:50:40,530
we could be are you okay with that is

2169
01:50:49,090 --> 01:50:47,040
that death let me put it this way if we

2170
01:50:54,350 --> 01:50:49,100
have eternal life

2171
01:50:59,450 --> 01:50:54,360
thank God it's an adventure because if

2172
01:51:02,030 --> 01:50:59,460
it wasn't it would be the next place you

2173
01:51:04,820 --> 01:51:02,040
would go would be madness insanity

2174
01:51:07,010 --> 01:51:04,830
because you couldn't get out and you

2175
01:51:10,480 --> 01:51:07,020
didn't want to you you you you couldn't

2176
01:51:13,370 --> 01:51:10,490
bear to be and you couldn't stop being

2177
01:51:16,910 --> 01:51:13,380
you're just there we're trapped right

2178
01:51:20,480 --> 01:51:16,920
and I don't feel trapped I feel like

2179
01:51:23,540 --> 01:51:20,490
there are many many many levels to go in

2180
01:51:26,090 --> 01:51:23,550
many directions to go in and we know

2181
01:51:30,260 --> 01:51:26,100
very very little and I don't think

2182
01:51:32,510 --> 01:51:30,270
anyone at any level knows enough to feel

2183
01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:32,520
trapped and maybe that's what the

2184
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:35,370
universe is really all about it is about

2185
01:51:46,190 --> 01:51:42,570
the adventure the mmm okay let me let me

2186
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:46,200
let me do this before the break if we

2187
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:48,090
walk into the woods and I'm okay with

2188
01:51:51,109 --> 01:51:49,770
this now Whitley because I've had a

2189
01:51:53,869 --> 01:51:51,119
couple of experience

2190
01:51:56,209 --> 01:51:53,879
of late experiences that have opened up

2191
01:52:00,500 --> 01:51:56,219
my eyes a little bit but if we go into

2192
01:52:02,359 --> 01:52:00,510
the woods and and experience the magic

2193
01:52:04,359 --> 01:52:02,369
that is you're alone you know you go

2194
01:52:06,799 --> 01:52:04,369
into the woods and you experience this

2195
01:52:08,239 --> 01:52:06,809
and you come back out of the woods and

2196
01:52:13,909 --> 01:52:08,249
you go to your family and you go you

2197
01:52:15,409 --> 01:52:13,919
know what fairies are real right listen

2198
01:52:17,629 --> 01:52:15,419
people said that all the time in the

2199
01:52:20,689 --> 01:52:17,639
past that's what I'm saying I'm okay

2200
01:52:24,919 --> 01:52:20,699
with it now it's it's a weird thing for

2201
01:52:27,979 --> 01:52:24,929
an adult like myself to say but it's

2202
01:52:29,389 --> 01:52:27,989
weird but I'm okay with it is they're

2203
01:52:31,129 --> 01:52:29,399
okay with it too because you know we

2204
01:52:32,779 --> 01:52:31,139
just changed their names now there are

2205
01:52:35,239 --> 01:52:32,789
aliens yeah that's what I'm saying

2206
01:52:36,679 --> 01:52:35,249
that's exactly where I'm going but you

2207
01:52:39,199 --> 01:52:36,689
know they're such fascinating we got a

2208
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:39,209
couple worms fascinating things in this

2209
01:52:44,779 --> 01:52:42,570
world in in like in parts of Bavaria

2210
01:52:47,509 --> 01:52:44,789
there are stories of the co voles the

2211
01:52:50,689 --> 01:52:47,519
little dark blue elusive dark blue

2212
01:52:53,149 --> 01:52:50,699
figures that live down in the mines and

2213
01:52:56,989 --> 01:52:53,159
parts of that part of the world are

2214
01:53:00,799 --> 01:52:56,999
honeycombed with tunnels too small to

2215
01:53:07,549 --> 01:53:00,809
have been made by human beings that now

2216
01:53:12,889 --> 01:53:07,559
are empty and you have to wonder maybe

2217
01:53:14,949 --> 01:53:12,899
once they lived among us hiding in

2218
01:53:20,750 --> 01:53:14,959
tunnels and coming out at night and

2219
01:53:24,259 --> 01:53:20,760
maybe they still do right why why is it

2220
01:53:28,580 --> 01:53:24,269
that we not and not everybody but most

2221
01:53:31,310 --> 01:53:28,590
have the predisposition of dismissing

2222
01:53:33,889 --> 01:53:31,320
that and not paying attention at all

2223
01:53:35,929 --> 01:53:33,899
they would rather live in a

2224
01:53:38,389 --> 01:53:35,939
2-dimensional world where they don't

2225
01:53:43,939 --> 01:53:38,399
question or wonder or want to discover

2226
01:53:46,509 --> 01:53:43,949
anything part of its fear people are

2227
01:53:49,159 --> 01:53:46,519
scared and people like to be entertained

2228
01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:49,169
- and you know you in order to be

2229
01:53:53,899 --> 01:53:51,570
entertained by this there's two ways to

2230
01:53:57,319 --> 01:53:53,909
do that you open your mind to it and

2231
01:54:01,399 --> 01:53:57,329
accept the adventure or you dig into the

2232
01:54:03,770 --> 01:54:01,409
demon deal and and you know you you

2233
01:54:04,910 --> 01:54:03,780
think to yourself well it's demons and

2234
01:54:08,479 --> 01:54:04,920
this is this guy

2235
01:54:11,510 --> 01:54:08,489
he's he's demon-haunted and you know I

2236
01:54:15,110 --> 01:54:11,520
better just sit in my house and watch

2237
01:54:17,810 --> 01:54:15,120
Cheers reruns rather than I might end up

2238
01:54:19,700 --> 01:54:17,820
demon-haunted myself right right right

2239
01:54:23,570 --> 01:54:19,710
and there were ok with that that that

2240
01:54:25,850 --> 01:54:23,580
Bob my mind I'm not okay with it no I'm

2241
01:54:28,459 --> 01:54:25,860
gonna be out there in the dark that's

2242
01:54:30,290 --> 01:54:28,469
where I belong it is I want you to

2243
01:54:31,910 --> 01:54:30,300
answer this really quick somebody just

2244
01:54:33,860 --> 01:54:31,920
posted this you know what I'm not gonna

2245
01:54:35,930 --> 01:54:33,870
go back and read it directly they wanted

2246
01:54:39,459 --> 01:54:35,940
to know let me look at the clock okay we

2247
01:54:45,340 --> 01:54:39,469
have two minutes are you do you equate

2248
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:45,350
religion and aliens now equate them yep

2249
01:54:51,169 --> 01:54:47,730
well two minutes to answer that question

2250
01:54:53,330 --> 01:54:51,179
I know right listen this is intimately

2251
01:54:57,500 --> 01:54:53,340
concerned and connected with the human

2252
01:55:00,709 --> 01:54:57,510
soul intimately and so is religion but I

2253
01:55:03,169 --> 01:55:00,719
don't see I mean I don't see him

2254
01:55:05,140 --> 01:55:03,179
I wouldn't expect to be given communion

2255
01:55:11,380 --> 01:55:05,150
by a gray let me put it that way

2256
01:55:15,530 --> 01:55:11,390
wait okay do you think that on other

2257
01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:15,540
planets of which there are billions do

2258
01:55:20,120 --> 01:55:16,770
you think that they are going through

2259
01:55:22,160 --> 01:55:20,130
the exact situations we are here now

2260
01:55:25,970 --> 01:55:22,170
isn't the same everywhere

2261
01:55:28,250 --> 01:55:25,980
I think they that intelligent life at

2262
01:55:30,830 --> 01:55:28,260
this level is rarer than we realize

2263
01:55:32,380 --> 01:55:30,840
I I think there's a smattering of it

2264
01:55:36,020 --> 01:55:32,390
across the universe but it's not

2265
01:55:37,640 --> 01:55:36,030
prolific with it very and and when we

2266
01:55:39,290 --> 01:55:37,650
come back I can tell you exactly why I

2267
01:55:42,140 --> 01:55:39,300
think that and why I'm pretty sure I'm

2268
01:55:45,410 --> 01:55:42,150
right okay well let's that that's

2269
01:55:48,500 --> 01:55:45,420
interesting because because you know

2270
01:55:50,900 --> 01:55:48,510
we're rare we're rare birds there's not

2271
01:55:54,740 --> 01:55:50,910
a lot of this type of stuff going on

2272
01:55:58,630 --> 01:55:54,750
because it just takes it's too unlikely

2273
01:56:00,890 --> 01:55:58,640
it too unlikely for it to happen

2274
01:56:04,010 --> 01:56:00,900
therefore do you think that we were

2275
01:56:07,510 --> 01:56:04,020
placed here then if it's if it doesn't I

2276
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:07,520
would have a stiff we had not been

2277
01:56:12,650 --> 01:56:11,130
enhanced and I can get into exactly when

2278
01:56:13,490 --> 01:56:12,660
I think that happened and how it

2279
01:56:15,320 --> 01:56:13,500
happened

2280
01:56:16,939 --> 01:56:15,330
very interesting okay let's do that

2281
01:56:18,720 --> 01:56:16,949
right now you know a lot about that

2282
01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:18,730
let's let's take that up right out

2283
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:19,930
for the break our guest tonight will

2284
01:56:24,630 --> 01:56:22,810
East River and that Whitley we've got to

2285
01:56:27,630 --> 01:56:24,640
talk about the new book with an - as

2286
01:56:29,580 --> 01:56:27,640
well and as discussed today young man we

2287
01:56:31,770 --> 01:56:29,590
were gonna run out of time we do it

2288
01:56:33,510 --> 01:56:31,780
every time so we'll do up we'll do our

2289
01:56:34,700 --> 01:56:33,520
best after this break stay with us

2290
01:56:35,100 --> 01:56:34,710
everybody

2291
01:56:36,910 --> 01:56:35,110
[Music]

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back late Abbey

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Pony mr. bus I fade to black

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this is fade to black with Jimmy Church

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on the game changer radio network and K

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[Music]

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02:00:54,360 --> 02:00:52,150
all right welcome back fade to black I'm

2381
02:00:55,910 --> 02:00:54,370
your Jimmy Church our guest tonight

2382
02:00:58,230 --> 02:00:55,920
Whitley Strieber

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2390
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favorite subjects that we started to dip

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our toes into is is us right we just

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02:01:28,620 --> 02:01:25,990
appeared here and if you you know I

2393
02:01:31,680 --> 02:01:28,630
don't know if you know this but Darwin's

2394
02:01:34,290 --> 02:01:31,690
famous trip ended today when he arrived

2395
02:01:37,020 --> 02:01:34,300
back in England right back in 1836 and

2396
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:37,030
and which led to the writing of the

2397
02:01:44,130 --> 02:01:41,530
origins but if you subscribe to Darwin

2398
02:01:45,870 --> 02:01:44,140
then we should even be here we wouldn't

2399
02:01:48,530 --> 02:01:45,880
be here for another million years of

2400
02:01:52,040 --> 02:01:48,540
evolution right but we just appeared

2401
02:01:55,740 --> 02:01:52,050
upright correct with humor thinking

2402
02:01:59,340 --> 02:01:55,750
creativity laughter speech let you know

2403
02:02:01,950 --> 02:01:59,350
it's just overnight and I just think we

2404
02:02:04,440 --> 02:02:01,960
were placed I really do I think somebody

2405
02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:04,450
either dropped us off here or altered

2406
02:02:12,120 --> 02:02:08,410
some DNA well you know it's a very

2407
02:02:18,570 --> 02:02:12,130
specific thing that happened and it

2408
02:02:20,460 --> 02:02:18,580
happened about 40,000 years ago under

2409
02:02:29,010 --> 02:02:20,470
the following circumstances

2410
02:02:32,820 --> 02:02:29,020
a supernova a star exploded and at

2411
02:02:37,470 --> 02:02:32,830
approximately that time the first wave

2412
02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:37,480
of energy from that explosion swept

2413
02:02:45,840 --> 02:02:40,810
through this solar system including

2414
02:02:48,780 --> 02:02:45,850
planet Earth and it fried all of the

2415
02:02:52,680 --> 02:02:48,790
large creatures off over a swath of

2416
02:02:57,590 --> 02:02:52,690
Earth it's when all of the big creatures

2417
02:03:00,000 --> 02:02:57,600
in Australia died out because they were

2418
02:03:01,950 --> 02:03:00,010
living out in the open they couldn't

2419
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:01,960
hide they could you know they they great

2420
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:03,010
they were grazing

2421
02:03:10,050 --> 02:03:05,770
and they they were irradiated and they

2422
02:03:12,900 --> 02:03:10,060
died off and this human being saw the

2423
02:03:15,300 --> 02:03:12,910
strange light in the daytime sky like a

2424
02:03:17,070 --> 02:03:15,310
second Sun and also at night there would

2425
02:03:19,710 --> 02:03:17,080
have been no night for a few days and

2426
02:03:23,610 --> 02:03:19,720
they hid at least enough of him hid to

2427
02:03:27,720 --> 02:03:23,620
where they survived in these places but

2428
02:03:31,710 --> 02:03:27,730
then at the same time this it Aradia

2429
02:03:36,300 --> 02:03:31,720
most of the world less severely but it

2430
02:03:40,590 --> 02:03:36,310
caused a flood of mutations including a

2431
02:03:45,450 --> 02:03:40,600
very particular mutation in the brain of

2432
02:03:49,460 --> 02:03:45,460
a certain type of human being that is

2433
02:03:54,770 --> 02:03:49,470
the brain of what we call cro-magnon men

2434
02:03:59,690 --> 02:03:54,780
the part of it that controls language

2435
02:04:04,170 --> 02:03:59,700
expanded dramatically and these people

2436
02:04:07,620 --> 02:04:04,180
over a period of ten or twelve thousand

2437
02:04:11,250 --> 02:04:07,630
years as this mutation spread through

2438
02:04:14,550 --> 02:04:11,260
the species through the population began

2439
02:04:18,630 --> 02:04:14,560
to be able to speak in much more complex

2440
02:04:22,290 --> 02:04:18,640
ways than ever before

2441
02:04:25,620 --> 02:04:22,300
and the Neanderthals were left behind

2442
02:04:28,170 --> 02:04:25,630
because they could not speak in such

2443
02:04:30,479 --> 02:04:28,180
complex ways the cro-magnons began to be

2444
02:04:34,520 --> 02:04:30,489
able to teach each other and educate

2445
02:04:42,060 --> 02:04:38,700
erupt in a great variety of different

2446
02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:42,070
shapes and sizes beautifully made while

2447
02:04:50,160 --> 02:04:45,610
the Neanderthals stone tools remain very

2448
02:04:52,229 --> 02:04:50,170
simple and and coarse and then soon the

2449
02:04:56,310 --> 02:04:52,239
Neanderthals are gone and there's nobody

2450
02:04:58,790 --> 02:04:56,320
left here but us then thirty thousand

2451
02:05:02,820 --> 02:04:58,800
years ago we start to do things like

2452
02:05:06,030 --> 02:05:02,830
paint these remarkable paintings in

2453
02:05:10,920 --> 02:05:06,040
caves and that takes a lot of

2454
02:05:16,430 --> 02:05:10,930
organization and we begin to form into

2455
02:05:21,709 --> 02:05:16,440
tribes and societies and mankind

2456
02:05:25,669 --> 02:05:21,719
begins now was it chance or is the guy

2457
02:05:29,830 --> 02:05:25,679
that wrote that paper right

2458
02:05:35,149 --> 02:05:29,840
is this a conscious universe did it

2459
02:05:40,160 --> 02:05:35,159
touch us did it touch us specifically us

2460
02:05:45,459 --> 02:05:40,170
yeah us yeah what about Ezekiel and your

2461
02:05:51,620 --> 02:05:49,370
some of that is probably you know who

2462
02:05:56,140 --> 02:05:51,630
knows what it really is but something

2463
02:05:59,510 --> 02:05:56,150
like Ezekiel's wheel I'm sorry but you

2464
02:06:02,570 --> 02:05:59,520
can you think of anything that you have

2465
02:06:05,899 --> 02:06:02,580
never seen before in any way or ever

2466
02:06:08,300 --> 02:06:05,909
heard about and the answer is no you

2467
02:06:12,290 --> 02:06:08,310
can't no one can

2468
02:06:14,870 --> 02:06:12,300
I can oh sure I can think of a starship

2469
02:06:17,990 --> 02:06:14,880
and something but what I can't think

2470
02:06:24,250 --> 02:06:18,000
about is something I have never known

2471
02:06:29,209 --> 02:06:24,260
and Ezekiel could not have known

2472
02:06:32,120 --> 02:06:29,219
anything about rockets or flying craft

2473
02:06:34,580 --> 02:06:32,130
of any kind anything mechanical in the

2474
02:06:36,350 --> 02:06:34,590
air anything nothing nothing or the

2475
02:06:39,320 --> 02:06:36,360
vimana aircraft and all of that

2476
02:06:42,550 --> 02:06:39,330
elaborate stuff that comes in the in in

2477
02:06:47,300 --> 02:06:42,560
in the Indian early Indian literature

2478
02:06:50,830 --> 02:06:47,310
those are things people saw not things

2479
02:06:54,169 --> 02:06:50,840
that they made up and imagined the

2480
02:06:57,649 --> 02:06:54,179
Eurocentric imagination which assumes

2481
02:06:59,419 --> 02:06:57,659
that you know if it's not from the

2482
02:07:02,180 --> 02:06:59,429
anglo-saxons of the Germans of the

2483
02:07:04,580 --> 02:07:02,190
French or the Italians it's probably

2484
02:07:07,970 --> 02:07:04,590
just you know some crazy primitive

2485
02:07:09,620 --> 02:07:07,980
imagination those days when we had that

2486
02:07:12,350 --> 02:07:09,630
perspective on the world and they've got

2487
02:07:15,320 --> 02:07:12,360
to end those people were brilliant and

2488
02:07:20,390 --> 02:07:15,330
they saw what they described what they

2489
02:07:24,290 --> 02:07:20,400
saw in the world or the Egyptians you

2490
02:07:26,089 --> 02:07:24,300
know hieroglyphics I know a good bit

2491
02:07:28,160 --> 02:07:26,099
about hieroglyphics I'm fascinated by

2492
02:07:28,640 --> 02:07:28,170
hieroglyphics I've been studying them

2493
02:07:29,390 --> 02:07:28,650
for years

2494
02:07:32,660 --> 02:07:29,400
this

2495
02:07:35,470 --> 02:07:32,670
a much more sophisticated language than

2496
02:07:38,590 --> 02:07:35,480
the linear text scripts that we use

2497
02:07:41,990 --> 02:07:38,600
hieroglyphics have three levels of

2498
02:07:44,600 --> 02:07:42,000
thought in them they have the linear

2499
02:07:47,750 --> 02:07:44,610
level at like on the rosetta stone and

2500
02:07:49,939 --> 02:07:47,760
like English or Greek or any modern

2501
02:07:53,320 --> 02:07:49,949
language except Chinese which is more

2502
02:07:58,580 --> 02:07:53,330
pictographic they have a pictorial level

2503
02:08:03,080 --> 02:07:58,590
which works in terms of visual puns yet

2504
02:08:07,850 --> 02:08:03,090
relating to the natural world around the

2505
02:08:10,370 --> 02:08:07,860
Egyptians and giving the words more

2506
02:08:12,380 --> 02:08:10,380
resonance and significance because it

2507
02:08:15,380 --> 02:08:12,390
relates them to the different energies

2508
02:08:17,780 --> 02:08:15,390
of the animals that are part of the

2509
02:08:20,209 --> 02:08:17,790
hieroglyphic and then there's I believe

2510
02:08:23,479 --> 02:08:20,219
a third level but we can't know this

2511
02:08:26,300 --> 02:08:23,489
that has to do with color and the way

2512
02:08:28,729 --> 02:08:26,310
colors were used and juxtaposed in these

2513
02:08:30,169 --> 02:08:28,739
in these words now when you read

2514
02:08:33,470 --> 02:08:30,179
something like that

2515
02:08:40,130 --> 02:08:33,480
you read that successfully with a very

2516
02:08:41,209 --> 02:08:40,140
big sophisticated complex mind and I'm

2517
02:08:44,020 --> 02:08:41,219
sorry

2518
02:08:47,300 --> 02:08:44,030
they weren't simple primitive people

2519
02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:47,310
they were in many ways more advanced

2520
02:08:55,160 --> 02:08:50,010
than we are and if you look at the Great

2521
02:08:57,830 --> 02:08:55,170
Pyramid you know that has to be true it

2522
02:09:01,729 --> 02:08:57,840
has to be and you know this is the other

2523
02:09:03,740 --> 02:09:01,739
thing that we we don't understand when

2524
02:09:05,930 --> 02:09:03,750
they were not only writing it but when

2525
02:09:07,459 --> 02:09:05,940
they were reading it there's three or

2526
02:09:09,320 --> 02:09:07,469
four or five different things that are

2527
02:09:11,800 --> 02:09:09,330
being said at the same time and they

2528
02:09:14,390 --> 02:09:11,810
were absorbing it all at the same time

2529
02:09:16,459 --> 02:09:14,400
it was cut the understand what I'm

2530
02:09:19,310 --> 02:09:16,469
saying it's coming at them and they sure

2531
02:09:23,180 --> 02:09:19,320
do yeah they're reading it in 3d we are

2532
02:09:27,860 --> 02:09:23,190
only interpreting it with you know with

2533
02:09:31,130 --> 02:09:27,870
numbers or names or sounds because of

2534
02:09:33,410 --> 02:09:31,140
our own 2d text and flat pages the way

2535
02:09:35,780 --> 02:09:33,420
that we perceive language in writing

2536
02:09:37,520 --> 02:09:35,790
today you look at hieroglyphics and

2537
02:09:40,300 --> 02:09:37,530
that's a whole other thing we are

2538
02:09:42,729 --> 02:09:40,310
talking about a three-dimensional

2539
02:09:46,509 --> 02:09:42,739
multi-dimensional way of

2540
02:09:48,459 --> 02:09:46,519
negating it's not it's not a linear way

2541
02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:48,469
of doing it that and that's the only way

2542
02:09:54,819 --> 02:09:51,530
that we can we did our best to decipher

2543
02:09:57,279 --> 02:09:54,829
it to begin with right yeah and to go to

2544
02:10:01,839 --> 02:09:57,289
the next level we have no concept that's

2545
02:10:04,180 --> 02:10:01,849
how smart they were they were really

2546
02:10:09,640 --> 02:10:04,190
very smart well like in the pyramid of

2547
02:10:11,500 --> 02:10:09,650
unis that the early the earliest Pyramid

2548
02:10:12,819 --> 02:10:11,510
Texts the earliest religious texts we

2549
02:10:14,830 --> 02:10:12,829
have speaking someone was talking about

2550
02:10:16,419 --> 02:10:14,840
asked about religion earlier the

2551
02:10:20,080 --> 02:10:16,429
earliest religious texts that we have

2552
02:10:26,489 --> 02:10:20,090
and parts of it are about something that

2553
02:10:32,879 --> 02:10:26,499
they called Tana tur the serpent of that

2554
02:10:37,359 --> 02:10:32,889
that lived in the spine that we now call

2555
02:10:39,790 --> 02:10:37,369
Kundalini and the seven serpents that

2556
02:10:45,839 --> 02:10:39,800
surrounded it which we now call the

2557
02:10:49,739 --> 02:10:45,849
chakras and tan it er became it was

2558
02:10:55,479 --> 02:10:49,749
transported to India and became Tantra

2559
02:11:00,040 --> 02:10:55,489
so much of modern religious thought

2560
02:11:04,509 --> 02:11:00,050
comes from Egypt and an amazing man an

2561
02:11:06,609 --> 02:11:04,519
astonishing man Moses who had one of the

2562
02:11:11,109 --> 02:11:06,619
greatest ideas in human history and he

2563
02:11:13,750 --> 02:11:11,119
came out of Egypt with it and he

2564
02:11:17,169 --> 02:11:13,760
probably it probably started with

2565
02:11:23,939 --> 02:11:17,179
Akhenaten it was the idea of the single

2566
02:11:30,220 --> 02:11:23,949
at first solar God and later this

2567
02:11:36,129 --> 02:11:30,230
incredible thing happened Moses began to

2568
02:11:41,439 --> 02:11:36,139
say that this God was invisible could

2569
02:11:44,589 --> 02:11:41,449
not be seen and therefore alone among

2570
02:11:47,350 --> 02:11:44,599
all the temples of the ancient world the

2571
02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:47,360
temple in Jerusalem's holy of Holy's was

2572
02:11:55,120 --> 02:11:51,010
empty we used to make the Romans laugh

2573
02:11:56,589 --> 02:11:55,130
but that God is still with us because

2574
02:12:00,969 --> 02:11:56,599
that God has been

2575
02:12:03,270 --> 02:12:00,979
growing and changing with us all of

2576
02:12:06,639 --> 02:12:03,280
these years precisely because he is not

2577
02:12:10,089 --> 02:12:06,649
codified into a statue or frozen into a

2578
02:12:12,129 --> 02:12:10,099
statute somewhere that God is within us

2579
02:12:15,580 --> 02:12:12,139
and part of our spirit and our

2580
02:12:21,089 --> 02:12:15,590
imagination in other words it's a real

2581
02:12:25,060 --> 02:12:21,099
God it's a relationship a relationship

2582
02:12:28,209 --> 02:12:25,070
what's interesting with that is the

2583
02:12:30,989 --> 02:12:28,219
Egyptians which clearly is not discussed

2584
02:12:33,699 --> 02:12:30,999
today everybody just wants to talk about

2585
02:12:37,029 --> 02:12:33,709
dynasty one or dynasty zero and that's

2586
02:12:39,129 --> 02:12:37,039
the clock and 3,000 BC but if you go to

2587
02:12:42,639 --> 02:12:39,139
Ed foo if you go to the temple of Osiris

2588
02:12:46,569 --> 02:12:42,649
and you go to the Kings list on the wall

2589
02:12:48,819 --> 02:12:46,579
it does start at men a right it does we

2590
02:12:52,330 --> 02:12:48,829
know that but that's not a physical side

2591
02:12:54,459 --> 02:12:52,340
they also talk about the first day the

2592
02:12:57,849 --> 02:12:54,469
first time's the beginning of it all

2593
02:13:01,330 --> 02:12:57,859
which goes back thousands and thousands

2594
02:13:04,209 --> 02:13:01,340
of years before 3,000 BC where they are

2595
02:13:06,159 --> 02:13:04,219
talking about the the creation and the

2596
02:13:08,169 --> 02:13:06,169
intelligence and the gods that were

2597
02:13:11,020 --> 02:13:08,179
there but nobody wants to talk about

2598
02:13:13,929 --> 02:13:11,030
that today it's very fascinating to me

2599
02:13:15,879 --> 02:13:13,939
about the history before all of that and

2600
02:13:18,279 --> 02:13:15,889
it's and it's right there

2601
02:13:21,459 --> 02:13:18,289
Moses talked about it and it all goes

2602
02:13:23,889 --> 02:13:21,469
back and Moses hung out in Egypt we all

2603
02:13:26,319 --> 02:13:23,899
know that it's a pretty fascinating

2604
02:13:31,619 --> 02:13:26,329
story but nobody actually wants to go

2605
02:13:34,149 --> 02:13:31,629
back because the history is hidden yeah

2606
02:13:37,209 --> 02:13:34,159
but you know there's a lot of things you

2607
02:13:39,489 --> 02:13:37,219
can do this is a lot that you know I

2608
02:13:40,719 --> 02:13:39,499
don't talk about much I talk about I'm

2609
02:13:43,089 --> 02:13:40,729
beginning to talk about a little bit

2610
02:13:46,119 --> 02:13:43,099
more you know there are people called

2611
02:13:50,049 --> 02:13:46,129
travelers and it's an interesting

2612
02:13:52,899 --> 02:13:50,059
community who can leave their bodies I'm

2613
02:13:55,449 --> 02:13:52,909
not a real good traveler because I only

2614
02:13:56,139 --> 02:13:55,459
get taken out I don't I can't get out on

2615
02:13:58,270 --> 02:13:56,149
my own

2616
02:14:00,459 --> 02:13:58,280
so if you don't bother to be jealous

2617
02:14:03,129 --> 02:14:00,469
folks as they hope I'd love to be able

2618
02:14:08,000 --> 02:14:03,139
to do that or I would too but let me

2619
02:14:12,780 --> 02:14:08,010
tell you I've been out a few times

2620
02:14:17,850 --> 02:14:12,790
really out in that pyramid the pyramid

2621
02:14:19,620 --> 02:14:17,860
at giza right that is that is an

2622
02:14:23,419 --> 02:14:19,630
interesting place to go when you're out

2623
02:14:27,660 --> 02:14:23,429
of your body and I'm not gonna say why

2624
02:14:30,030 --> 02:14:27,670
because I want people to discover it for

2625
02:14:31,830 --> 02:14:30,040
themselves as you find yourself if

2626
02:14:34,500 --> 02:14:31,840
you're a traveler and I'm sure there's

2627
02:14:38,250 --> 02:14:34,510
some travelers listening to this go

2628
02:14:40,950 --> 02:14:38,260
there see what happens be interesting

2629
02:14:43,830 --> 02:14:40,960
do you think Whitley that you were

2630
02:14:45,930 --> 02:14:43,840
chosen for this or do you think this was

2631
02:14:48,120 --> 02:14:45,940
accidental you just backed up your car

2632
02:14:50,000 --> 02:14:48,130
oh no I know what happened what exactly

2633
02:14:53,280 --> 02:14:50,010
what happened what happened uh uh uh

2634
02:14:55,770 --> 02:14:53,290
well I hand told me that side yeah yeah

2635
02:14:59,160 --> 02:14:55,780
go back to that date there was a period

2636
02:15:02,300 --> 02:14:59,170
of time right after the after I sort of

2637
02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:02,310
probably about a year later after I had

2638
02:15:07,379 --> 02:15:06,010
sort of gotten used to the idea that

2639
02:15:08,970 --> 02:15:07,389
they were there and they were starting

2640
02:15:16,729 --> 02:15:08,980
to come up to the house at times and

2641
02:15:20,550 --> 02:15:16,739
stuff and that I had a brief

2642
02:15:23,209 --> 02:15:20,560
conversation with one of them not a

2643
02:15:27,060 --> 02:15:23,219
physical conversation and I didn't see

2644
02:15:29,520 --> 02:15:27,070
who it was and see anybody but it was

2645
02:15:33,030 --> 02:15:29,530
obviously a conversation of sorts and

2646
02:15:36,120 --> 02:15:33,040
sort of me kind of talking in my head

2647
02:15:37,649 --> 02:15:36,130
and also vocally because I'm not used to

2648
02:15:41,399 --> 02:15:37,659
having conversations where you do not

2649
02:15:43,859 --> 02:15:41,409
talk and the other side was talking just

2650
02:15:47,280 --> 02:15:43,869
in my mind but it was a give-and-take

2651
02:15:51,780 --> 02:15:47,290
and I asked why did you come here and

2652
02:15:53,250 --> 02:15:51,790
the answer was we saw a glow and for

2653
02:15:55,169 --> 02:15:53,260
years when I would tell this story I

2654
02:15:56,939 --> 02:15:55,179
thought I would say so they must have

2655
02:15:59,459 --> 02:15:56,949
seen the glow of cities and stuff you

2656
02:16:03,570 --> 02:15:59,469
know and they came and see that wasn't

2657
02:16:06,899 --> 02:16:03,580
what it was Annie I figured it out from

2658
02:16:08,490 --> 02:16:06,909
Annie after she died cuz I'm in contact

2659
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:08,500
with Annie Annie and I are still working

2660
02:16:12,530 --> 02:16:10,330
together in fact and we'll talk about

2661
02:16:19,890 --> 02:16:12,540
that I guess in a few minutes but anyway

2662
02:16:20,979 --> 02:16:19,900
I was in those days I was sitting and I

2663
02:16:22,689 --> 02:16:20,989
was doing what I

2664
02:16:24,850 --> 02:16:22,699
all the sensing exercise which is a

2665
02:16:27,430 --> 02:16:24,860
kerchief e'en practice and I'll practice

2666
02:16:29,410 --> 02:16:27,440
in many different religious many

2667
02:16:32,230 --> 02:16:29,420
different meditative disciplines it's a

2668
02:16:34,030 --> 02:16:32,240
type of meditation where you put your

2669
02:16:37,200 --> 02:16:34,040
attention on your body on your physical

2670
02:16:40,360 --> 02:16:37,210
body and on the way your body feels and

2671
02:16:42,129 --> 02:16:40,370
this is incredibly it seems really

2672
02:16:45,040 --> 02:16:42,139
simple it's nothing to it

2673
02:16:48,370 --> 02:16:45,050
nothing much happens but it's incredibly

2674
02:16:51,250 --> 02:16:48,380
powerful because what it does is among

2675
02:16:54,160 --> 02:16:51,260
other things you can be seen in other

2676
02:16:55,809 --> 02:16:54,170
levels of reality and when I started

2677
02:16:57,250 --> 02:16:55,819
doing that out in those woods when I was

2678
02:16:59,139 --> 02:16:57,260
doing it in the city there's probably

2679
02:17:02,440 --> 02:16:59,149
hundreds of people in the city doing it

2680
02:17:04,330 --> 02:17:02,450
and so they would see you know all these

2681
02:17:06,519 --> 02:17:04,340
little lights of these people doing this

2682
02:17:08,290 --> 02:17:06,529
then all of a sudden Here I am way out

2683
02:17:11,379 --> 02:17:08,300
in the middle of nowhere in these woods

2684
02:17:13,559 --> 02:17:11,389
and you know there's a few people around

2685
02:17:16,690 --> 02:17:13,569
but nobody's doing that except me and

2686
02:17:20,530 --> 02:17:16,700
there was one little guy going down

2687
02:17:24,299 --> 02:17:20,540
there that's the glow they saw and

2688
02:17:27,990 --> 02:17:24,309
that's why they ended up in my life

2689
02:17:31,480 --> 02:17:28,000
because they came to investigate that

2690
02:17:34,900 --> 02:17:31,490
knowing that somebody who was doing that

2691
02:17:39,040 --> 02:17:34,910
might be able to interact and

2692
02:17:43,089 --> 02:17:39,050
communicate with them because I had the

2693
02:17:46,330 --> 02:17:43,099
basics of the language and that type of

2694
02:17:48,610 --> 02:17:46,340
meditation is the basic language of

2695
02:17:51,219 --> 02:17:48,620
communication with them that's where you

2696
02:17:52,570 --> 02:17:51,229
start and if you're not there you know

2697
02:17:55,150 --> 02:17:52,580
there's people that say well we have to

2698
02:17:57,129 --> 02:17:55,160
meditate but they don't know what to do

2699
02:17:59,139 --> 02:17:57,139
and you know they take they take your

2700
02:18:01,120 --> 02:17:59,149
money and say well okay UFO is gonna

2701
02:18:03,490 --> 02:18:01,130
show up and it actually will show up

2702
02:18:06,040 --> 02:18:03,500
very often right right and then all we

2703
02:18:10,179 --> 02:18:06,050
have to meditate but they don't actually

2704
02:18:12,759 --> 02:18:10,189
know the practice they don't know what

2705
02:18:14,919 --> 02:18:12,769
to do and so it doesn't really work let

2706
02:18:16,450 --> 02:18:14,929
me ask Willie I have to ask you this you

2707
02:18:18,370 --> 02:18:16,460
and I have talked about meditation an

2708
02:18:20,849 --> 02:18:18,380
awful lot I know that you do it every

2709
02:18:24,480 --> 02:18:20,859
single day and at night and so forth but

2710
02:18:29,419 --> 02:18:24,490
the first time take me to the first time

2711
02:18:31,279 --> 02:18:29,429
where you got into the

2712
02:18:35,239 --> 02:18:31,289
because that's an epiphany that's a

2713
02:18:38,569 --> 02:18:35,249
life-changing event was were you was it

2714
02:18:40,729 --> 02:18:38,579
by accident no yeah well I was taught

2715
02:18:42,979 --> 02:18:40,739
how to meditate this way you do the

2716
02:18:44,779 --> 02:18:42,989
sensing exercise by a member of the

2717
02:18:49,399 --> 02:18:44,789
Gurjeet foundation called Joseph Stein

2718
02:18:52,009 --> 02:18:49,409
who to me is a sacred being because my

2719
02:18:55,969 --> 02:18:52,019
whole this whole all of this started

2720
02:18:57,739 --> 02:18:55,979
with Joe and his his own mentor bill

2721
02:19:00,079 --> 02:18:57,749
Siegel William Segal both in the

2722
02:19:04,579 --> 02:19:00,089
foundation for many years when I knew

2723
02:19:06,589 --> 02:19:04,589
them both passed on now but and you know

2724
02:19:08,089 --> 02:19:06,599
you can google kerchief foundation and

2725
02:19:11,779 --> 02:19:08,099
find their website and if you want to

2726
02:19:13,849 --> 02:19:11,789
get involved you can it's not hard it is

2727
02:19:15,409 --> 02:19:13,859
hard to do but it's not hard to get

2728
02:19:20,540 --> 02:19:15,419
involved you can give it a shot in your

2729
02:19:28,449 --> 02:19:20,550
life why not in any case he taught me

2730
02:19:34,849 --> 02:19:28,459
this practice and I began to do it in

2731
02:19:41,509 --> 02:19:34,859
May of 1970 and one time it must have

2732
02:19:43,069 --> 02:19:41,519
been about two years later I was going

2733
02:19:44,859 --> 02:19:43,079
to leave foundation on Thursday nights

2734
02:19:47,659 --> 02:19:44,869
and doing this pretty much every night

2735
02:19:51,170 --> 02:19:47,669
at about 10:30 or 11:00 as I have been

2736
02:19:57,349 --> 02:19:51,180
all these years 50 years now and one

2737
02:20:00,710 --> 02:19:57,359
night I was sitting there and I wanted

2738
02:20:03,949 --> 02:20:00,720
to get up so badly I the thing about it

2739
02:20:06,250 --> 02:20:03,959
is at first you think oh this is really

2740
02:20:08,779 --> 02:20:06,260
cool I'm doing something incredibly cool

2741
02:20:12,019 --> 02:20:08,789
something is gonna happen because we're

2742
02:20:14,510 --> 02:20:12,029
consumers you know we want something out

2743
02:20:16,819 --> 02:20:14,520
of our work if we if I do something some

2744
02:20:20,869 --> 02:20:16,829
work of some kind I want to see some

2745
02:20:22,670 --> 02:20:20,879
results but in this work the results are

2746
02:20:24,260 --> 02:20:22,680
don't happen like that it's not you

2747
02:20:29,569 --> 02:20:24,270
don't get an immediate no angel was

2748
02:20:32,329 --> 02:20:29,579
gonna land and but suddenly I kept

2749
02:20:35,929 --> 02:20:32,339
fighting myself to not get up to not get

2750
02:20:41,690 --> 02:20:35,939
up to continue and and the resistance

2751
02:20:52,320 --> 02:20:41,700
just ended and my body was different

2752
02:20:56,631 --> 02:20:52,330
it was more part of the universe the the

2753
02:21:03,051 --> 02:20:56,641
barrier between me and the conscious

2754
02:21:09,060 --> 02:21:03,061
reality in which we live had become less

2755
02:21:11,370 --> 02:21:09,070
that was the first when it happened to

2756
02:21:14,461 --> 02:21:11,380
me I've only had it happen once and was

2757
02:21:18,751 --> 02:21:14,471
just it was recently but I I what I

2758
02:21:25,140 --> 02:21:18,761
didn't dig about it was the lack of

2759
02:21:27,421 --> 02:21:25,150
control right it it just got me I was I

2760
02:21:30,770 --> 02:21:27,431
just want I don't know how to put it

2761
02:21:34,501 --> 02:21:30,780
into words but I couldn't stop it I

2762
02:21:37,410 --> 02:21:34,511
couldn't stop it I got sucked in I

2763
02:21:39,240 --> 02:21:37,420
thought I was just participating with

2764
02:21:41,671 --> 02:21:39,250
everybody else in this meditation and it

2765
02:21:43,770 --> 02:21:41,681
was all cool and you know in a few

2766
02:21:47,251 --> 02:21:43,780
minutes I would be off doing something

2767
02:21:49,501 --> 02:21:47,261
else and and Wow and it was pretty

2768
02:21:54,030 --> 02:21:49,511
powerful I do want to say this before

2769
02:21:57,780 --> 02:21:54,040
the break 10 minutes ago it was released

2770
02:22:00,690 --> 02:21:57,790
by The Associated Press that Tom Petty

2771
02:22:03,950 --> 02:22:00,700
of the Heartbreakers has passed away

2772
02:22:07,560 --> 02:22:03,960
here in Santa Monica California and

2773
02:22:09,961 --> 02:22:07,570
there you go and it went back and forth

2774
02:22:12,450 --> 02:22:09,971
today I understand everybody out there

2775
02:22:14,570 --> 02:22:12,460
listening to me now that the media went

2776
02:22:18,570 --> 02:22:14,580
back and forth it was announced and then

2777
02:22:20,730 --> 02:22:18,580
the announcement was retracted and

2778
02:22:24,301 --> 02:22:20,740
everybody has been confused all day long

2779
02:22:26,761 --> 02:22:24,311
but there you go his spokesman for the

2780
02:22:29,240 --> 02:22:26,771
ban through Associated Press has

2781
02:22:31,620 --> 02:22:29,250
announced that Tom Petty has passed away

2782
02:22:33,421 --> 02:22:31,630
from a severe heart attack that he

2783
02:22:36,541 --> 02:22:33,431
suffered yesterday at his house in

2784
02:22:39,930 --> 02:22:36,551
Malibu and there he go rest in peace Tom

2785
02:22:43,291 --> 02:22:39,940
Petty where you know what

2786
02:22:45,091 --> 02:22:43,301
Whitley oh wait where do you think tom

2787
02:22:48,961 --> 02:22:45,101
is right now do you think he's listening

2788
02:22:53,070 --> 02:22:48,971
to us as we speak he's still here when

2789
02:22:54,960 --> 02:22:53,080
he will be for a few days right and what

2790
02:22:57,360 --> 02:22:54,970
so he's listening to us what

2791
02:22:58,440 --> 02:22:57,370
I expect what advice could you give to

2792
02:23:00,360 --> 02:22:58,450
DOM right now

2793
02:23:03,240 --> 02:23:00,370
oh listen I people come up to me all the

2794
02:23:04,800 --> 02:23:03,250
time in that state they in you'll find

2795
02:23:06,750 --> 02:23:04,810
if you go to the like the Monroe

2796
02:23:09,179 --> 02:23:06,760
Institute where they do a lot of this

2797
02:23:11,820 --> 02:23:09,189
type of work there's a whole course on

2798
02:23:14,790 --> 02:23:11,830
how to help souls that are that are

2799
02:23:17,490 --> 02:23:14,800
still in the in the physical the Tibetan

2800
02:23:21,900 --> 02:23:17,500
Book of the Dead which I used when Annie

2801
02:23:24,960 --> 02:23:21,910
died has a whole whole lot about this

2802
02:23:26,340 --> 02:23:24,970
and what you do and it's it's not I can

2803
02:23:28,559 --> 02:23:26,350
tell you right now it's not gonna be

2804
02:23:30,719 --> 02:23:28,569
necessary with Tom Petty it was with

2805
02:23:33,269 --> 02:23:30,729
another celebrity who died recently the

2806
02:23:37,500 --> 02:23:33,279
entirely different man I won't mention

2807
02:23:40,410 --> 02:23:37,510
his name because he is stuck here but if

2808
02:23:43,380 --> 02:23:40,420
they're stuck here and they show up in

2809
02:23:46,050 --> 02:23:43,390
the life of some one like me who sees

2810
02:23:48,660 --> 02:23:46,060
these people the thing you got to do is

2811
02:23:51,500 --> 02:23:48,670
to get them to turn around because

2812
02:23:54,059 --> 02:23:51,510
they're looking in the wrong direction

2813
02:23:55,559 --> 02:23:54,069
the direction they need to look in is an

2814
02:23:58,469 --> 02:23:55,569
entirely different direction this is the

2815
02:24:02,519 --> 02:23:58,479
direction of the light and once they

2816
02:24:04,530 --> 02:24:02,529
turn around they're gone but sometimes

2817
02:24:06,960 --> 02:24:04,540
they don't turn around and sometimes the

2818
02:24:08,490 --> 02:24:06,970
lights to dim because of the lives

2819
02:24:11,880 --> 02:24:08,500
they've lived there just there's just

2820
02:24:14,190 --> 02:24:11,890
not enough of it there but I can tell

2821
02:24:17,460 --> 02:24:14,200
you that he cut up a lot but he also did

2822
02:24:19,559 --> 02:24:17,470
a lot and I can I know that he's he's

2823
02:24:23,969 --> 02:24:19,569
he's gonna he's gonna get out of here

2824
02:24:25,860 --> 02:24:23,979
pretty quick he's probably the way it

2825
02:24:28,320 --> 02:24:25,870
happens is the same way it happened with

2826
02:24:30,150 --> 02:24:28,330
Annie she got out of her body and at

2827
02:24:34,590 --> 02:24:30,160
first she was right here and she was

2828
02:24:39,240 --> 02:24:34,600
talking to me and she couldn't get get a

2829
02:24:41,660 --> 02:24:39,250
response and you know she's learned an

2830
02:24:43,979 --> 02:24:41,670
immense amount since then because she's

2831
02:24:45,599 --> 02:24:43,989
intentionally still turned toward this

2832
02:24:47,849 --> 02:24:45,609
world she could turn toward the light

2833
02:24:49,349 --> 02:24:47,859
but she's intentionally turned toward

2834
02:24:52,469 --> 02:24:49,359
this world we talked about that in a few

2835
02:24:53,910 --> 02:24:52,479
minutes but I don't have the feeling

2836
02:24:57,360 --> 02:24:53,920
that he's gonna have any trouble at all

2837
02:25:01,440 --> 02:24:57,370
no I think he's gonna have a pretty easy

2838
02:25:03,120 --> 02:25:01,450
way yeah through things I feel a

2839
02:25:05,519 --> 02:25:03,130
happiness in my heart when I talk about

2840
02:25:07,650 --> 02:25:05,529
him and you know he probably he probably

2841
02:25:08,791 --> 02:25:07,660
has plenty of things that he but we have

2842
02:25:11,071 --> 02:25:08,801
to after him

2843
02:25:13,051 --> 02:25:11,081
amber it's real hard for human beings to

2844
02:25:15,151 --> 02:25:13,061
do evil you have to work at it you know

2845
02:25:17,011 --> 02:25:15,161
the idea that all these little sins that

2846
02:25:19,831 --> 02:25:17,021
used to dream up in the medieval times

2847
02:25:21,751 --> 02:25:19,841
and so forth and 40,000 years in

2848
02:25:24,051 --> 02:25:21,761
purgatory for eating meat on Friday or

2849
02:25:26,850 --> 02:25:24,061
whatever it was mm-hmm that's all just

2850
02:25:28,981 --> 02:25:26,860
imaginary yeah George was a master of

2851
02:25:32,310 --> 02:25:28,991
the key my book the key he said it very

2852
02:25:35,850 --> 02:25:32,320
clearly he said sin is denial of the

2853
02:25:39,361 --> 02:25:35,860
right to thrive and that is something

2854
02:25:42,541 --> 02:25:39,371
that it takes a real genius of evil to

2855
02:25:45,151 --> 02:25:42,551
do like a Hitler it always reminds me of

2856
02:25:48,031 --> 02:25:45,161
George Carlin you know he's got a list

2857
02:25:49,411 --> 02:25:48,041
of ten things that you're not supposed

2858
02:25:50,761 --> 02:25:49,421
to do and if you break one of these

2859
02:25:53,731 --> 02:25:50,771
tenth day if you do one of these ten

2860
02:25:55,801 --> 02:25:53,741
things you will burn forever I loved

2861
02:25:58,350 --> 02:25:55,811
that when I was a kid and it is to

2862
02:26:01,111 --> 02:25:58,360
purposely eat hot dogs on a hook and eat

2863
02:26:03,060 --> 02:26:01,121
a hot dog on Friday with mortal sin and

2864
02:26:05,821 --> 02:26:03,070
I would stand there at the little hotdog

2865
02:26:09,901 --> 02:26:05,831
stand eating that hot dog and thinking

2866
02:26:14,191 --> 02:26:09,911
if I die right now I'm going down but

2867
02:26:16,591 --> 02:26:14,201
God loves you those were the best

2868
02:26:18,541 --> 02:26:16,601
hotdogs I ever ate in my life and I have

2869
02:26:20,461 --> 02:26:18,551
to thank the Catholic Church for that

2870
02:26:22,801 --> 02:26:20,471
there you go let's take a break right

2871
02:26:24,511 --> 02:26:22,811
every when we come back we're gonna do a

2872
02:26:26,310 --> 02:26:24,521
little overtime with Whitley we knew

2873
02:26:28,560 --> 02:26:26,320
this was gonna come down because we're

2874
02:26:31,801 --> 02:26:28,570
gonna talk about the new book that he is

2875
02:26:32,991 --> 02:26:31,811
written with Anne Whitley stay right

2876
02:26:35,491 --> 02:26:33,001
there

2877
02:26:37,111 --> 02:26:35,501
this is fade to black I'm your host

2878
02:26:40,171 --> 02:26:37,121
Jimmy chair oops

2879
02:26:41,850 --> 02:26:40,181
I cut myself off I'll be right back and

2880
02:26:44,491 --> 02:26:41,860
we're gonna talk about this new book

2881
02:26:45,810 --> 02:26:44,501
that Whitley has written with Anne and I

2882
02:26:48,691 --> 02:26:45,820
know what you're thinking what do you

2883
02:26:50,161 --> 02:26:48,701
mean with Anne well let Whitley tell you

2884
02:26:52,540 --> 02:26:50,171
all about it right after this stay with

2885
02:27:08,860 --> 02:27:08,730
[Music]

2886
02:27:14,320 --> 02:27:08,870
[Applause]

2887
02:27:17,480 --> 02:27:14,330
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what an extraordinary show tonight

2973
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Whitley Streeters our guest got to do a

2974
02:31:53,810 --> 02:31:51,479
little overtime we all knew that this

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would happen we would run out of time so

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audience and and I want to say with

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Whitley listening to me right now

2979
02:32:09,200 --> 02:32:04,979
without his comment that when we talked

2980
02:32:10,370 --> 02:32:09,210
about the show actually no no wait a

2981
02:32:13,460 --> 02:32:10,380
minute wait a I want to correct myself

2982
02:32:15,740 --> 02:32:13,470
you and I were just talking and you told

2983
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me about this new book that you've

2984
02:32:19,730 --> 02:32:17,729
written with Han and I stopped to you

2985
02:32:21,710 --> 02:32:19,740
then and said okay that's it you're

2986
02:32:27,260 --> 02:32:21,720
coming on the show this week that's what

2987
02:32:29,960 --> 02:32:27,270
it was and so when you when you

2988
02:32:31,790 --> 02:32:29,970
described this to me I immediately said

2989
02:32:33,350 --> 02:32:31,800
this this needs to be heard and I don't

2990
02:32:34,730 --> 02:32:33,360
want to hear anything else about it I

2991
02:32:38,360 --> 02:32:34,740
want you to share it with the audience

2992
02:32:42,050 --> 02:32:38,370
so when you see that you've written your

2993
02:32:44,050 --> 02:32:42,060
next book with Anne what do you what do

2994
02:32:49,690 --> 02:32:44,060
you what are you trying to say to us

2995
02:32:55,250 --> 02:32:49,700
well I'm trying to say if she's not gone

2996
02:32:57,590 --> 02:32:55,260
when Annie died first of all I let me

2997
02:33:00,410 --> 02:32:57,600
backtrack a few seconds and had a

2998
02:33:03,550 --> 02:33:00,420
near-death experience in 2004 when she

2999
02:33:06,590 --> 02:33:03,560
had a brain hemorrhage and nearly died

3000
02:33:10,639 --> 02:33:06,600
after that like many NDE or she was no

3001
02:33:16,460 --> 02:33:10,649
longer afraid of death at all not at all

3002
02:33:21,139 --> 02:33:16,470
and she got to a point where it was

3003
02:33:23,450 --> 02:33:21,149
obvious she had in 2013 she was

3004
02:33:26,929 --> 02:33:23,460
diagnosed with brain cancer bad brain

3005
02:33:30,650 --> 02:33:26,939
cancer they expect her 6 months to live

3006
02:33:32,660 --> 02:33:30,660
but we did so much with nutrition and we

3007
02:33:35,780 --> 02:33:32,670
did all the protocols the doctors called

3008
02:33:39,770 --> 02:33:35,790
for and we used a Rick Simpson oil a

3009
02:33:42,170 --> 02:33:39,780
cannabis oil and a nutritionist and we

3010
02:33:45,469 --> 02:33:42,180
got the tumor completely stopped against

3011
02:33:47,210 --> 02:33:45,479
all that the doctors did a good job I

3012
02:33:52,730 --> 02:33:47,220
mean they were very good doctors at UCLA

3013
02:33:54,050 --> 02:33:52,740
and and we did things to that I think as

3014
02:33:56,300 --> 02:33:54,060
they said we'll never know

3015
02:33:59,719 --> 02:33:56,310
what's doing it but in fact the tumors

3016
02:34:02,029 --> 02:33:59,729
not moving unfortunately the weight of

3017
02:34:04,550 --> 02:34:02,039
the tumor in her brain and there was he

3018
02:34:06,859 --> 02:34:04,560
got most of it out but there was 15% of

3019
02:34:08,750 --> 02:34:06,869
it that they could not get out this is

3020
02:34:10,550 --> 02:34:08,760
the thick hard material it's it's

3021
02:34:13,539 --> 02:34:10,560
doesn't belong in any kind of delicate

3022
02:34:19,429 --> 02:34:13,549
place like a brain began to cause her

3023
02:34:24,889 --> 02:34:19,439
vascular system to collapse and she was

3024
02:34:27,889 --> 02:34:24,899
denying and it was a very conscious

3025
02:34:29,779 --> 02:34:27,899
thing it wasn't something that happened

3026
02:34:31,279 --> 02:34:29,789
suddenly it happened over a period of

3027
02:34:35,929 --> 02:34:31,289
about a week and she knew it was

3028
02:34:40,369 --> 02:34:35,939
happening and we did it together we did

3029
02:34:45,469 --> 02:34:40,379
it together with her passing on and me

3030
02:34:48,199 --> 02:34:45,479
being right there by her side and the

3031
02:34:50,899 --> 02:34:48,209
first thing that first thing that

3032
02:34:54,349 --> 02:34:50,909
happened is that she was had lost

3033
02:34:57,439 --> 02:34:54,359
consciousness and one of the caregivers

3034
02:35:00,139 --> 02:34:57,449
who was here it was in the living room

3035
02:35:03,949 --> 02:35:00,149
and suddenly said and just told me she

3036
02:35:07,369 --> 02:35:03,959
wants to die in red pajamas and this

3037
02:35:08,929 --> 02:35:07,379
woman jumps up and she literally runs

3038
02:35:11,809 --> 02:35:08,939
out of the house because you know Annie

3039
02:35:14,809 --> 02:35:11,819
could die any minute at that point goes

3040
02:35:18,679 --> 02:35:14,819
to Nordstrom's which is it drives over

3041
02:35:21,800 --> 02:35:18,689
there buys a pair of red pajamas comes

3042
02:35:25,789 --> 02:35:21,810
back we get my wife's poor little broken

3043
02:35:29,210 --> 02:35:25,799
body in those red pajamas another hour

3044
02:35:33,349 --> 02:35:29,220
passes I'm in the living room in the in

3045
02:35:35,269 --> 02:35:33,359
the dinette area with my kids and we're

3046
02:35:39,050 --> 02:35:35,279
eating supper and suddenly I hear a nice

3047
02:35:42,769 --> 02:35:39,060
a witty I'm dying right now I run into

3048
02:35:45,739 --> 02:35:42,779
the bedroom I lie down beside her and I

3049
02:35:47,269 --> 02:35:45,749
say goodbye goodbye and I put my hand on

3050
02:35:49,729 --> 02:35:47,279
our heart and I could feel her heart

3051
02:35:57,889 --> 02:35:49,739
under my hand beating I say goodbye

3052
02:36:04,640 --> 02:35:57,899
goodbye her heart stops and my whole

3053
02:36:07,310 --> 02:36:04,650
life stops and I feel

3054
02:36:13,881 --> 02:36:07,320
as if I have been dropped into an

3055
02:36:20,831 --> 02:36:13,891
infinite well of grief then about an

3056
02:36:23,720 --> 02:36:20,841
hour later suddenly a friend calls and

3057
02:36:24,650 --> 02:36:23,730
she says sweetly I just had the weirdest

3058
02:36:30,680 --> 02:36:24,660
thing

3059
02:36:34,820 --> 02:36:30,690
I feel like Anne is trying to tell me

3060
02:36:37,700 --> 02:36:34,830
that I should tell you she's alright is

3061
02:36:41,841 --> 02:36:37,710
she alright what's going on this one is

3062
02:36:45,131 --> 02:36:41,851
sort of psychic mm-hmm and I said she

3063
02:36:47,841 --> 02:36:45,141
died an hour ago

3064
02:36:50,541 --> 02:36:47,851
and I thought how could this be that she

3065
02:36:53,541 --> 02:36:50,551
would just and I thought maybe it was in

3066
02:36:56,660 --> 02:36:53,551
maybe Anna still here in some way and

3067
02:37:03,070 --> 02:36:56,670
there a lot we don't want after that but

3068
02:37:08,871 --> 02:37:03,080
then more happened a couple of days

3069
02:37:10,791 --> 02:37:08,881
later Trisha and Rob MacGregor who are

3070
02:37:11,511 --> 02:37:10,801
on my own dream land on my show a lot

3071
02:37:15,081 --> 02:37:11,521
mm-hmm

3072
02:37:18,140 --> 02:37:15,091
had this thing happened they knew Anne

3073
02:37:20,511 --> 02:37:18,150
had passed away and Trish was writing a

3074
02:37:24,291 --> 02:37:20,521
blog about Anne when suddenly there was

3075
02:37:26,180 --> 02:37:24,301
this flash and this huge explosion in

3076
02:37:27,770 --> 02:37:26,190
their house they jumped up and ran

3077
02:37:31,180 --> 02:37:27,780
around the house looking for something

3078
02:37:33,860 --> 02:37:31,190
and it was there was nothing there and

3079
02:37:36,320 --> 02:37:33,870
they thought they said they thought it

3080
02:37:42,200 --> 02:37:36,330
was and they felt like it was and trying

3081
02:37:45,081 --> 02:37:42,210
to say that she was still here and it

3082
02:37:50,001 --> 02:37:45,091
went on like that the next thing that

3083
02:37:57,291 --> 02:37:50,011
happened was another friend a few days

3084
02:38:04,730 --> 02:37:57,301
later called me I was sitting on a bench

3085
02:38:06,680 --> 02:38:04,740
in in in the mountains above Palm

3086
02:38:08,001 --> 02:38:06,690
Springs I'd been out there with my kids

3087
02:38:09,409 --> 02:38:08,011
and just trying to chill out a little

3088
02:38:12,319 --> 02:38:09,419
bit

3089
02:38:14,540 --> 02:38:12,329
and I was sitting alone on this bench

3090
02:38:17,269 --> 02:38:14,550
and I was saying I was talking to Annie

3091
02:38:19,580 --> 02:38:17,279
and I was saying do you still exist if

3092
02:38:23,540 --> 02:38:19,590
you could show me some kind of a sign

3093
02:38:26,510 --> 02:38:23,550
and suddenly my cell phone rang way out

3094
02:38:28,880 --> 02:38:26,520
in those mountains I answer and it's

3095
02:38:31,790 --> 02:38:28,890
clear Henry William Henry's way no

3096
02:38:34,939 --> 02:38:31,800
Claire yes yeah and she says Whitley I

3097
02:38:37,819 --> 02:38:34,949
just had this strange thing happened I

3098
02:38:39,769 --> 02:38:37,829
had the feeling that I needed to call

3099
02:38:41,269 --> 02:38:39,779
you that Ann was telling me that I

3100
02:38:47,989 --> 02:38:41,279
should call you and tell you she's

3101
02:38:48,909 --> 02:38:47,999
alright and then I thought thank you

3102
02:38:52,880 --> 02:38:48,919
honey

3103
02:38:56,359 --> 02:38:52,890
because you know I'm not I might be

3104
02:38:58,399 --> 02:38:56,369
skeptical but I'm not stupid and that

3105
02:38:59,469 --> 02:38:58,409
couldn't just happen like that that was

3106
02:39:03,739 --> 02:38:59,479
too much

3107
02:39:08,059 --> 02:39:03,749
then later on I remembered back in the

3108
02:39:10,010 --> 02:39:08,069
90s when we had been working on this the

3109
02:39:13,250 --> 02:39:10,020
communion letters and she was saying you

3110
02:39:15,679 --> 02:39:13,260
know this is death is not what we think

3111
02:39:18,859 --> 02:39:15,689
it is this is something else

3112
02:39:20,719 --> 02:39:18,869
yet only we've got our ideas about it

3113
02:39:27,949 --> 02:39:20,729
but this is not really what it is right

3114
02:39:29,659 --> 02:39:27,959
and we said we were gonna make a plan I

3115
02:39:31,639 --> 02:39:29,669
hadn't thought I didn't think about this

3116
02:39:34,219 --> 02:39:31,649
until about a year after the time these

3117
02:39:37,699 --> 02:39:34,229
things happened because a lot more a lot

3118
02:39:44,750 --> 02:39:37,709
more happening me an hour to even begin

3119
02:39:47,630 --> 02:39:44,760
to explain it all and I remembered we'd

3120
02:39:52,779 --> 02:39:47,640
made a plan that the first one of us to

3121
02:39:54,819 --> 02:39:52,789
die if possible would come back and

3122
02:39:59,300 --> 02:39:54,829
communicate with the other one

3123
02:40:01,099 --> 02:39:59,310
indirectly through friends not directly

3124
02:40:04,130 --> 02:40:01,109
no mediums

3125
02:40:05,989 --> 02:40:04,140
raaah only through friends right and

3126
02:40:08,540 --> 02:40:05,999
this was a plan we never told anybody

3127
02:40:10,369 --> 02:40:08,550
and I didn't think about it until a long

3128
02:40:12,710 --> 02:40:10,379
time afterwards I remembered it of

3129
02:40:14,689 --> 02:40:12,720
course because I put it aside I haven't

3130
02:40:19,040 --> 02:40:14,699
thought about it absolutely Annie was

3131
02:40:22,530 --> 02:40:19,050
doing it I thought my god Charlie you're

3132
02:40:28,890 --> 02:40:22,540
doing it right

3133
02:40:33,060 --> 02:40:28,900
from there it developed into a living

3134
02:40:35,550 --> 02:40:33,070
ongoing relationship right now there

3135
02:40:38,190 --> 02:40:35,560
were two of us and we are sharing one

3136
02:40:41,190 --> 02:40:38,200
body I wear both wedding rings to

3137
02:40:45,660 --> 02:40:41,200
symbolize that and we wrote a book

3138
02:40:48,060 --> 02:40:45,670
together and it is a beautiful book it

3139
02:40:51,840 --> 02:40:48,070
is a book about love and about how to

3140
02:40:54,511 --> 02:40:51,850
live in a completely new way that nobody

3141
02:40:57,030 --> 02:40:54,521
has ever thought about before because

3142
02:41:01,020 --> 02:40:57,040
nobody is whole until they are in

3143
02:41:03,570 --> 02:41:01,030
communication with both sides and it is

3144
02:41:06,420 --> 02:41:03,580
a deeply personal thing that belongs to

3145
02:41:10,730 --> 02:41:06,430
everyone alive and everyone on the other

3146
02:41:12,780 --> 02:41:10,740
side and that's what our book is about

3147
02:41:14,640 --> 02:41:12,790
now recently

3148
02:41:17,400 --> 02:41:14,650
if you ever had dr. Gary Schwartz on

3149
02:41:19,440 --> 02:41:17,410
your show yep yeah well a very cool guy

3150
02:41:21,750 --> 02:41:19,450
in my opinion and he and Annie were

3151
02:41:25,620 --> 02:41:21,760
terrific friends they they just loved

3152
02:41:28,410 --> 02:41:25,630
each other in the Annie had mediums

3153
02:41:30,330 --> 02:41:28,420
tested with him and so I telephoned him

3154
02:41:31,860 --> 02:41:30,340
after I finished the book and I said

3155
02:41:34,290 --> 02:41:31,870
Gary I would like you to read the book

3156
02:41:37,560 --> 02:41:34,300
in hopes of getting you to write a blurb

3157
02:41:39,120 --> 02:41:37,570
for it and he said oh I don't want to

3158
02:41:41,340 --> 02:41:39,130
write a blurb for this book after he

3159
02:41:44,130 --> 02:41:41,350
read it and I said I want to do more I

3160
02:41:47,820 --> 02:41:44,140
want to write a foreword and I want to

3161
02:41:52,370 --> 02:41:47,830
do a blonde double blind medium test of

3162
02:42:00,500 --> 02:41:52,380
an and we'll see what comes of it

3163
02:42:06,540 --> 02:42:00,510
and so he did and it was astonishing and

3164
02:42:11,370 --> 02:42:06,550
showed up to this medium but not she did

3165
02:42:13,980 --> 02:42:11,380
it in a way to defeat even my skepticism

3166
02:42:15,810 --> 02:42:13,990
which is always there under the surface

3167
02:42:16,530 --> 02:42:15,820
you may not hear it in my voice but no

3168
02:42:18,840 --> 02:42:16,540
hey Sal

3169
02:42:21,120 --> 02:42:18,850
Willie I have to ask I know that you

3170
02:42:23,550 --> 02:42:21,130
needed to stump the panel at this point

3171
02:42:26,100 --> 02:42:23,560
right you need to prove to yourself I

3172
02:42:28,950 --> 02:42:26,110
have to write so what if she knew that

3173
02:42:32,790 --> 02:42:28,960
right right and so one of the things

3174
02:42:34,470 --> 02:42:32,800
that Gary said the medium had said he

3175
02:42:36,350 --> 02:42:34,480
said it was very strange one of the

3176
02:42:41,230 --> 02:42:36,360
things that came up was a Greek fish of

3177
02:42:45,980 --> 02:42:41,240
hat cap and I nearly dropped my teeth

3178
02:42:49,520 --> 02:42:45,990
the medium had contacted an on a Tuesday

3179
02:42:53,840 --> 02:42:49,530
on the previous Sunday this is just a

3180
02:42:59,150 --> 02:42:53,850
couple weeks ago I had been with my

3181
02:43:02,720 --> 02:42:59,160
grandchildren Adam in a store where they

3182
02:43:06,051 --> 02:43:02,730
were selling among rough many other

3183
02:43:09,320 --> 02:43:06,061
things Greek fishermen's caps and my

3184
02:43:12,560 --> 02:43:09,330
grandson had wanted one very badly and I

3185
02:43:15,470 --> 02:43:12,570
had thought myself at the time his

3186
02:43:19,340 --> 02:43:15,480
grandma wants in his Nana wants him to

3187
02:43:20,600 --> 02:43:19,350
have that cap and but his dad said well

3188
02:43:23,840 --> 02:43:20,610
your birthday's are right around the

3189
02:43:26,450 --> 02:43:23,850
corner so we're gonna have to wait and I

3190
02:43:29,480 --> 02:43:26,460
could feel her being kind of pissy

3191
02:43:31,370 --> 02:43:29,490
thinking I too strict should have gotten

3192
02:43:35,410 --> 02:43:31,380
him the cap right right and then two

3193
02:43:42,610 --> 02:43:35,420
days later the medium picks this up

3194
02:43:46,790 --> 02:43:42,620
there is no way possible that no one

3195
02:43:51,950 --> 02:43:46,800
Gary Schwartz didn't know where I was no

3196
02:43:56,480 --> 02:43:51,960
one could have picked up on it no one

3197
02:44:02,590 --> 02:43:56,490
but the medium heard any talk about that

3198
02:44:06,340 --> 02:44:02,600
and to me that's conclusive I can't say

3199
02:44:09,440 --> 02:44:06,350
that she didn't do that she did do that

3200
02:44:12,830 --> 02:44:09,450
well I had you know it's not happening

3201
02:44:15,830 --> 02:44:12,840
at the moment trying to but she often

3202
02:44:18,290 --> 02:44:15,840
will get involved like on my show she'll

3203
02:44:19,761 --> 02:44:18,300
get involved and you know I can I can

3204
02:44:21,890 --> 02:44:19,771
sort of channel her I'm not a good

3205
02:44:23,511 --> 02:44:21,900
Chandler I can't Channel I wish I could

3206
02:44:26,090 --> 02:44:23,521
channel people like Einstein but I can't

3207
02:44:29,390 --> 02:44:26,100
do it but I can sometimes channel her

3208
02:44:32,030 --> 02:44:29,400
and like last night I had the most

3209
02:44:34,730 --> 02:44:32,040
powerful it was like she was right there

3210
02:44:36,380 --> 02:44:34,740
and it was I was making all my grief

3211
02:44:38,390 --> 02:44:36,390
come back because it was like I you know

3212
02:44:40,610 --> 02:44:38,400
I could hold her in my arms but there

3213
02:44:44,270 --> 02:44:40,620
was no one there that's how it felt

3214
02:44:46,850 --> 02:44:44,280
right it was so powerful and this

3215
02:44:49,690 --> 02:44:46,860
beautiful she had has a diary on unknown

3216
02:44:51,100 --> 02:44:49,700
country on our website and

3217
02:44:53,890 --> 02:44:51,110
been a couple of times when I have

3218
02:44:57,280 --> 02:44:53,900
channeled diary entries and that

3219
02:45:00,040 --> 02:44:57,290
happened last night and I put it up

3220
02:45:02,381 --> 02:45:00,050
there on the on on the on the thing and

3221
02:45:04,750 --> 02:45:02,391
it's just beautiful words I mean the

3222
02:45:09,100 --> 02:45:04,760
woman is my wife is a beautiful was a

3223
02:45:11,080 --> 02:45:09,110
wonderful essayist and she still is and

3224
02:45:14,440 --> 02:45:11,090
you know now she's as far as I'm

3225
02:45:16,631 --> 02:45:14,450
concerned these it's uh it's it's this

3226
02:45:21,940 --> 02:45:16,641
is a diary called being outside of time

3227
02:45:25,390 --> 02:45:21,950
and she talks about why we're three

3228
02:45:27,730 --> 02:45:25,400
dimensional beings and she says it's

3229
02:45:32,370 --> 02:45:27,740
because we're inside time and we can't

3230
02:45:38,530 --> 02:45:32,380
see time she said but I can see time and

3231
02:45:39,910 --> 02:45:38,540
that idea of seeing time is amazing and

3232
02:45:41,890 --> 02:45:39,920
of course if you were a fourth

3233
02:45:46,360 --> 02:45:41,900
dimensional being which the dead are you

3234
02:45:48,160 --> 02:45:46,370
would see time as something is something

3235
02:45:51,070 --> 02:45:48,170
some kind of a structure so I can't

3236
02:45:53,591 --> 02:45:51,080
imagine what it must look like but it's

3237
02:45:55,750 --> 02:45:53,601
amazing all of it whenever you need to

3238
02:45:58,570 --> 02:45:55,760
be centered has she like dropped a book

3239
02:45:59,980 --> 02:45:58,580
on your head yet oh she used to hit me

3240
02:46:03,370 --> 02:45:59,990
in the head with books all the time and

3241
02:46:05,171 --> 02:46:03,380
I'm sure she'd like to because she

3242
02:46:07,870 --> 02:46:05,181
considered me very thick headed about a

3243
02:46:10,750 --> 02:46:07,880
lot of things but you know this started

3244
02:46:12,820 --> 02:46:10,760
where this started was fascinating I was

3245
02:46:16,480 --> 02:46:12,830
still struggling with all of this and

3246
02:46:18,640 --> 02:46:16,490
very much in in confusion about it

3247
02:46:21,280 --> 02:46:18,650
and I went to one of William Henry's

3248
02:46:24,131 --> 02:46:21,290
things in Nashville he has he's you know

3249
02:46:26,110 --> 02:46:24,141
he's a wonderful brilliant Clara such

3250
02:46:30,160 --> 02:46:26,120
cool people they take people on these

3251
02:46:32,921 --> 02:46:30,170
marvelous tours and they have beautiful

3252
02:46:35,020 --> 02:46:32,931
events in Nashville a place called the

3253
02:46:37,060 --> 02:46:35,030
scary Bennett Center and so he was

3254
02:46:38,500 --> 02:46:37,070
having an event and I was so sad and

3255
02:46:40,091 --> 02:46:38,510
lonely and I thought I would go and be

3256
02:46:43,841 --> 02:46:40,101
with William and Claire they're so warm

3257
02:46:44,261 --> 02:46:43,851
and this will be good and I don't went

3258
02:46:46,600 --> 02:46:44,271
there

3259
02:46:47,890 --> 02:46:46,610
and it was it was exactly what I hoped

3260
02:46:49,810 --> 02:46:47,900
it would be William spoke beautifully

3261
02:46:52,180 --> 02:46:49,820
and and all the other speakers was

3262
02:46:54,520 --> 02:46:52,190
wonderful and there were a lot of nice

3263
02:46:56,591 --> 02:46:54,530
people there too and during one of the

3264
02:47:01,360 --> 02:46:56,601
breaks this nervous woman comes up to me

3265
02:47:02,530 --> 02:47:01,370
and she says um mr. streamer I don't

3266
02:47:02,980 --> 02:47:02,540
know how I tell you this because this

3267
02:47:07,780 --> 02:47:02,990
has never

3268
02:47:10,060 --> 02:47:07,790
happened to me before but it's really a

3269
02:47:12,430 --> 02:47:10,070
little weird I said look I'm whitley

3270
02:47:13,841 --> 02:47:12,440
strieber you cannot weird me out so go

3271
02:47:18,370 --> 02:47:13,851
ahead and say it whatever it is

3272
02:47:22,511 --> 02:47:18,380
right it's like she says well um I just

3273
02:47:24,220 --> 02:47:22,521
heard Anne say to me say something to me

3274
02:47:27,400 --> 02:47:24,230
do you have some kind of a special chair

3275
02:47:33,100 --> 02:47:27,410
and I do I have a place where I meditate

3276
02:47:36,150 --> 02:47:33,110
and she says she said that she can see

3277
02:47:38,560 --> 02:47:36,160
you when you're in the chair and

3278
02:47:41,650 --> 02:47:38,570
immediately my mind went back to that

3279
02:47:45,190 --> 02:47:41,660
story I told a little while ago about we

3280
02:47:49,870 --> 02:47:45,200
saw a glow right and I realized that's

3281
02:47:52,750 --> 02:47:49,880
it the glow of meditation the glow of

3282
02:47:54,490 --> 02:47:52,760
the sensing exercise that's what she can

3283
02:47:58,720 --> 02:47:54,500
swim she can see me is when I'm doing

3284
02:48:01,091 --> 02:47:58,730
that now the next thing that happened

3285
02:48:05,020 --> 02:48:01,101
well of course I started meditating very

3286
02:48:09,100 --> 02:48:05,030
intently of course at 11 o'clock at

3287
02:48:11,470 --> 02:48:09,110
night for now always did then lo and

3288
02:48:15,700 --> 02:48:11,480
behold at 3 o'clock in the morning a few

3289
02:48:18,671 --> 02:48:15,710
nights later I'm awakened by having one

3290
02:48:23,290 --> 02:48:18,681
of my toes shocked like it had been

3291
02:48:27,100 --> 02:48:23,300
stuck into a light socket and I thought

3292
02:48:29,320 --> 02:48:27,110
holy moly I've got gout yeah you know I

3293
02:48:31,381 --> 02:48:29,330
never get it the first time right right

3294
02:48:34,961 --> 02:48:31,391
I think that's one of the things that

3295
02:48:37,360 --> 02:48:34,971
the other level enjoys probably about me

3296
02:48:39,881 --> 02:48:37,370
that they can be sure that I'll fumble

3297
02:48:43,750 --> 02:48:39,891
it fumble the ball every time at least

3298
02:48:46,000 --> 02:48:43,760
the first time so it's 3 o'clock in the

3299
02:48:47,921 --> 02:48:46,010
morning and I turn on my phone and

3300
02:48:49,870 --> 02:48:47,931
Google gout and I realize well you don't

3301
02:48:51,390 --> 02:48:49,880
have doubt which also don't have an

3302
02:48:54,100 --> 02:48:51,400
electric blanket and there's no

3303
02:49:02,310 --> 02:48:54,110
electricity in the bed so here we are

3304
02:49:04,750 --> 02:49:02,320
and I go back to sleep the next night

3305
02:49:10,120 --> 02:49:04,760
somebody's pinching one of my nipples

3306
02:49:11,950 --> 02:49:10,130
like hell and this time I leap out of

3307
02:49:14,381 --> 02:49:11,960
the bed because this is fingers pinching

3308
02:49:16,510 --> 02:49:14,391
my nipple in my apartment and alone in

3309
02:49:20,050 --> 02:49:16,520
the middle of the night and you

3310
02:49:22,389 --> 02:49:20,060
you don't you notice this there's nobody

3311
02:49:26,439 --> 02:49:22,399
there so I immediately think the

3312
02:49:31,949 --> 02:49:26,449
visitors and I realize it's the same

3313
02:49:36,159 --> 02:49:31,959
exact time 3 a.m. and I think of course

3314
02:49:39,539 --> 02:49:36,169
they are facilitating the communication

3315
02:49:43,090 --> 02:49:39,549
between me and Ann because at 3 a.m.

3316
02:49:46,389 --> 02:49:43,100
most people around me are asleep and I'm

3317
02:49:48,189 --> 02:49:46,399
gonna be the only glow just like I was

3318
02:49:50,710 --> 02:49:48,199
out in the woods all those years ago

3319
02:49:56,109 --> 02:49:50,720
right and it's gonna be easier for her

3320
02:49:59,619 --> 02:49:56,119
to find me and by God ever since then I

3321
02:50:03,939 --> 02:49:59,629
have been meditating at 3 o'clock at

3322
02:50:06,939 --> 02:50:03,949
11:00 and at 3 for that reason I get up

3323
02:50:08,349 --> 02:50:06,949
every night at 3 and you know for a long

3324
02:50:10,779 --> 02:50:08,359
time they would help me they would wake

3325
02:50:12,460 --> 02:50:10,789
me up where they had fun doing it I can

3326
02:50:14,590 --> 02:50:12,470
assure you that came up with all kinds

3327
02:50:18,369 --> 02:50:14,600
of funny innovative ways of doing it

3328
02:50:21,969 --> 02:50:18,379
noises among them yes I was at a country

3329
02:50:24,249 --> 02:50:21,979
house in in Texas and I was thinking to

3330
02:50:28,149 --> 02:50:24,259
myself do I really need to do this at

3331
02:50:33,550 --> 02:50:28,159
3:00 is is this I this vacation count

3332
02:50:37,179 --> 02:50:33,560
and suddenly at 3 o'clock in the morning

3333
02:50:38,139 --> 02:50:37,189
the doorbell rings right way out in the

3334
02:50:45,340 --> 02:50:38,149
middle of the country

3335
02:50:47,469 --> 02:50:45,350
and so I think ah yep I need to do it at

3336
02:50:50,859 --> 02:50:47,479
3 o'clock every night so I got up I did

3337
02:50:53,289 --> 02:50:50,869
it yeah vacations are in a Hall Pass the

3338
02:50:55,439 --> 02:50:53,299
next morning the lady I was there with

3339
02:50:58,029 --> 02:50:55,449
said what was that Bell in the night I

3340
02:51:00,579 --> 02:50:58,039
said that was the doorbell somebody rang

3341
02:51:01,420 --> 02:51:00,589
the doorbell she said we don't have a

3342
02:51:09,760 --> 02:51:01,430
doorbell

3343
02:51:12,429 --> 02:51:09,770
to ask you this with Liam as we wind

3344
02:51:14,019 --> 02:51:12,439
down and again thank you for for this

3345
02:51:18,929 --> 02:51:14,029
conversation tonight it's always great

3346
02:51:22,840 --> 02:51:18,939
but as you were writing the book with an

3347
02:51:26,109 --> 02:51:22,850
you are you're inputting the information

3348
02:51:29,950 --> 02:51:26,119
you know you're writing and do you

3349
02:51:35,620 --> 02:51:29,960
remember it or is it more like ghost

3350
02:51:37,990 --> 02:51:35,630
writing at that moment no she would she

3351
02:51:43,410 --> 02:51:38,000
would take over the body and do her

3352
02:51:46,090 --> 02:51:43,420
writing I would see it and understand it

3353
02:51:49,930 --> 02:51:46,100
but it wasn't something that I could

3354
02:51:51,820 --> 02:51:49,940
actually change I don't think right it

3355
02:51:54,130 --> 02:51:51,830
was like ghost writing then it was a

3356
02:51:56,050 --> 02:51:54,140
little bit it wasn't that it wasn't like

3357
02:51:58,300 --> 02:51:56,060
automatic writing it wasn't that intense

3358
02:52:00,670 --> 02:51:58,310
I I was conscious and aware that it was

3359
02:52:04,090 --> 02:52:00,680
happening but it was very surprising you

3360
02:52:06,670 --> 02:52:04,100
know she would say things that wonderful

3361
02:52:09,100 --> 02:52:06,680
things a lot of just extraordinary stuff

3362
02:52:10,960 --> 02:52:09,110
would come in that I never thought of

3363
02:52:12,820 --> 02:52:10,970
before in my life

3364
02:52:16,240 --> 02:52:12,830
about what it's like on the other side

3365
02:52:19,000 --> 02:52:16,250
and how this is and it's a very

3366
02:52:21,969 --> 02:52:19,010
sophisticated vision of the other side

3367
02:52:24,940 --> 02:52:21,979
it's I mean Annie was really brilliant

3368
02:52:37,080 --> 02:52:24,950
in this world and in the next she's even

3369
02:52:42,070 --> 02:52:40,690
really something and the book is I I

3370
02:52:44,350 --> 02:52:42,080
don't know when it'll be published

3371
02:52:47,080 --> 02:52:44,360
because I'm going back and forth with my

3372
02:52:50,530 --> 02:52:47,090
publisher right now and my editor is

3373
02:52:53,469 --> 02:52:50,540
dying to buy it and publish it but my

3374
02:52:59,050 --> 02:52:53,479
sales have not been very good lately and

3375
02:53:00,610 --> 02:52:59,060
so the management is hesitant to to buy

3376
02:53:02,770 --> 02:53:00,620
it and if they don't buy it

3377
02:53:04,330 --> 02:53:02,780
in one way that'll be good because I'm

3378
02:53:06,070 --> 02:53:04,340
gonna publish it myself and I know how

3379
02:53:07,690 --> 02:53:06,080
to do that I can do a beautiful job up

3380
02:53:09,280 --> 02:53:07,700
and it'll be out in a few months right

3381
02:53:13,900 --> 02:53:09,290
if they buy it it'll probably be out in

3382
02:53:15,310 --> 02:53:13,910
about six months but so I don't know but

3383
02:53:17,740 --> 02:53:15,320
I would like them to buy it because it's

3384
02:53:21,219 --> 02:53:17,750
a pretty it's a it's a very prestigious

3385
02:53:22,930 --> 02:53:21,229
house Penguin Books and I'd tarcher

3386
02:53:25,630 --> 02:53:22,940
Penguin and I'd like them to buy it and

3387
02:53:27,070 --> 02:53:25,640
I hope they do but you know they have to

3388
02:53:29,940 --> 02:53:27,080
look at the numbers and like

3389
02:53:33,910 --> 02:53:29,950
supernatural why don't people buy

3390
02:53:40,030 --> 02:53:33,920
supernatural it's a credible book and it

3391
02:53:43,030 --> 02:53:40,040
and it's the people were some of the

3392
02:53:45,040 --> 02:53:43,040
early readers were come

3393
02:53:48,700 --> 02:53:45,050
lately blown away by it and people who

3394
02:53:51,820 --> 02:53:48,710
do buy it or just blown away should read

3395
02:53:55,360 --> 02:53:51,830
the Amazon reviews and yet it just

3396
02:53:57,550 --> 02:53:55,370
doesn't really it just has not taken off

3397
02:53:59,560 --> 02:53:57,560
people just think I think they think all

3398
02:54:02,230 --> 02:53:59,570
Whitley I know all of his stuff I've

3399
02:54:06,100 --> 02:54:02,240
read communion and they don't know the

3400
02:54:09,370 --> 02:54:06,110
half I've been a long way I'm way far

3401
02:54:12,610 --> 02:54:09,380
beyond that by now right right and I got

3402
02:54:14,980 --> 02:54:12,620
a whole lot to offer and I'm gonna keep

3403
02:54:16,900 --> 02:54:14,990
offering as long as I can thank you so

3404
02:54:19,090 --> 02:54:16,910
much Whitley what a great conversation

3405
02:54:22,930 --> 02:54:19,100
tonight and everybody go visit unknown

3406
02:54:24,670 --> 02:54:22,940
country calm the links all of Whitley's

3407
02:54:26,440 --> 02:54:24,680
links are over at uh jimmy church radio

3408
02:54:29,140 --> 02:54:26,450
calm and you can go and check it out

3409
02:54:33,011 --> 02:54:29,150
Whitley we'll get up the Amazon links

3410
02:54:35,770 --> 02:54:33,021
for the supernatural for you right now

3411
02:54:39,580 --> 02:54:35,780
but I'm very excited about this new

3412
02:54:41,680 --> 02:54:39,590
publication with an and-one one last I

3413
02:54:44,590 --> 02:54:41,690
just want one last comment from you

3414
02:54:48,400 --> 02:54:44,600
before we say goodnight when you go back

3415
02:54:51,130 --> 02:54:48,410
and you read the the galleys and the

3416
02:54:53,590 --> 02:54:51,140
stuff for the new book how does it make

3417
02:54:56,380 --> 02:54:53,600
you feel to see your writing and then

3418
02:54:57,910 --> 02:54:56,390
hers and the difference you know the the

3419
02:54:59,710 --> 02:54:57,920
feel it you know it's two different

3420
02:55:02,710 --> 02:54:59,720
people well you know I've been a writer

3421
02:55:04,870 --> 02:55:02,720
a long time and I can tell voice easily

3422
02:55:07,030 --> 02:55:04,880
right and it's two different voices and

3423
02:55:09,610 --> 02:55:07,040
that amazes me because I did the

3424
02:55:11,980 --> 02:55:09,620
physical writing but Anne's voice is

3425
02:55:13,750 --> 02:55:11,990
Anne's voice that's what I mean it must

3426
02:55:16,500 --> 02:55:13,760
be it's amazing it must be merely

3427
02:55:19,030 --> 02:55:16,510
something thank you so much Whitley and

3428
02:55:20,620 --> 02:55:19,040
we'll talk later on this week but again

3429
02:55:22,300 --> 02:55:20,630
thank you so much and thank you for

3430
02:55:24,910 --> 02:55:22,310
staying up late with us tonight and

3431
02:55:27,880 --> 02:55:24,920
you've got one hour to your next

3432
02:55:29,590 --> 02:55:27,890
meditation thank you all right all right

3433
02:55:32,320 --> 02:55:29,600
you have a great night Whitley thank you

3434
02:55:34,511 --> 02:55:32,330
so much let's notice you got a Whitley

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stre bore everybody again all of his

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links are over at Jimmy Church radio

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calm of course streamer comm unknown

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country calm go and and and be a

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subscriber over at unknown country and

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the new book the supernatural over on

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Amazon and with that I've got to

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actually depart and get out of here we

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actually got this before the

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work cut us off tonight a couple of

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things I will comment further tomorrow

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about the state of things that are over

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in Las Vegas I'm not going to jump on

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any conspiracy bandwagon at this point

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it is right now our hearts and thoughts

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are with everybody over in Las Vegas and

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what went down yesterday and with that

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yes there is an official statement from

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Tom Petty over at Tom Petty's official

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Twitter and of course the Heartbreakers

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and Tom Petty and their websites and

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we'll get those links up there too as

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well again thank you Whitley just an

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absolutely wonderful conversation

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tonight with that I will depart this

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will conclude another episode of fade to

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amazing conversations going on this

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network i'm your host jimmy church

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follow me on twitter at JD o you can

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tomorrow night Larry Holcomb right here

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until then everybody be safe go back Lee

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[Music]

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all right Willie takes me a few minutes

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to shut everything down and get the

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streams off yeah